🎙️ Trackstaa Podcast | Ellis Cross: Marathon Debut, Mental Strength & Coaching HOKA PB Protocol
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Ellis Cross, the 2:10 marathoner and British 10k champion, opens up about the emotional and physical toll of his marathon debut in Seville, revealing that the race left him mentally shattered—so much so that he vowed never to run another marathon. Yet, just weeks later, he’s already looking forward to the next one, a testament to the mental resilience he discovered during the grueling 16-week block. He candidly shares how the marathon demanded a new level of mental strength, especially when training in brutal conditions in Flagstaff and racing just days after a major effort. His decision to drop out of the Sound event—despite the pressure to finish—wasn’t a failure but a strategic act of self-preservation, protecting future opportunities. Now, as lead coach of HOKA’s PB Protocol, Ellis leverages his firsthand experience to guide sub-elite athletes, emphasizing the power of community, mental health, and smart race management. He believes happy athletes are fast athletes, and the camaraderie built through shared training and social events is as vital as the workouts themselves.
Drop out decisions are strategic, not weak—protecting future performance is more important than finishing a poor race.
Marathon debut trauma is real: Ellis felt physically and mentally broken post-race, yet still found joy in the journey.
Mental strength is the most trainable asset in long-distance running—especially when legs feel dead and motivation is low.
Training in isolation is tough; having a training partner—even if doing different sessions—provides critical emotional support.
The PB Protocol’s success lies in community: athletes thrive not just on training plans, but on shared experiences and social connection.
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Welcome & Introduction to Ellis Cross
The hosts introduce Ellis Cross, a 2:10 marathoner and British 10k champion, and set the stage for a deep dive into his marathon debut, mental resilience, and coaching role in HOKA’s PB Protocol.
The Emotional Aftermath of a Marathon Debut
“Honestly, like I crossed the line, I was like, there is absolutely no way I'm doing that ever again.”
The Mental Toll of Marathon Training
“I would look at the sessions before and be like, that is going to be brutal. And I almost think a bit like negatively about it...”
The Decision to Drop Out of the Sound Event
“If I dig a hole, that will hinder other opportunities. It'll hinder training and it's hard for people to understand that but this is my job.”
From Athlete to Coach: The PB Protocol Journey
Ellis discusses his role as lead coach in HOKA’s PB Protocol, emphasizing the importance of community, mental health, and personalized support for sub-elite athletes.
“If I dig a hole, that will hinder other opportunities. It'll hinder training and it's hard for people to understand that but this is my job.”
“Happy athletes are fast athletes and I think we've got, at the moment, we've got a lot of happy athletes so I think, I'm feeling pretty positive about London for these guys.”
“I would be lying if I said I didn't. Like look, there's a reason I get coached by Andy and that's because for me, I believe in what we do.”
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Ellis Cross
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HOKA
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PB Protocol
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Johnsy
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Andy Hobdell
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Lucy Jones
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Flagstaff
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Seville Marathon
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Font-Ramore
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Becca Weston
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