374: AI and the Therapeutic Relationship
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This episode of the Counselling Tutor Podcast explores the evolving relationship between artificial intelligence and the therapeutic process, emphasizing the importance of maintaining ethical, human-centered practice in the face of rapidly advancing technology. Hosts Rory Lees-Oaks and Ken Kelly discuss how clients are increasingly turning to AI for emotional support, often due to its 24/7 availability and seemingly empathetic responses. However, they caution that AI lacks genuine empathy, confidentiality, and the capacity for attunement, and may lead to over-disclosure, misdiagnosis, and emotional harm. The hosts advocate for integrating AI into therapy contracts, providing clients with informed consent about its limitations and risks, and using resources like blog posts and handouts to educate clients proactively. The conversation transitions to a deep dive into Jonathan Drury’s book, *The Autism Dialogue Approach*, which promotes equitable, dialogical communication between neurodivergent and neurotypical individuals. Drury emphasizes co-creation, relational humility, and the need to challenge deficit-based models of autism by fostering spaces where difference is valued. The episode concludes with practical advice for managing anxiety in counselling students, highlighting the role of personal development groups, journaling, supervision, and a strong personal 'why' as essential tools for resilience and growth.
Include AI in your therapy contract to ensure informed consent and manage client expectations about confidentiality, empathy, and accuracy.
Use AI as a conversation starter rather than a threat—explore with clients what meaning they derive from their AI interactions.
Adopt the Autism Dialogue Approach to foster equity, co-creation, and relational humility in working with neurodivergent clients.
Normalize anxiety in counselling training by using personal development groups, journaling, and supervision to process emotional barriers.
Your personal 'why' for becoming a counsellor is a powerful anchor when facing anxiety, imposter syndrome, or academic stress.
Introduction and Ethical Sustainable Practice
The episode opens with a promotional segment for the Counselling Tutor’s Clinical Supervision Certificate, followed by an introduction to the host team and the episode’s three main topics: AI and the therapeutic relationship, Jonathan Drury’s Autism Dialogue Approach, and managing anxiety in counselling students.
AI and the Therapeutic Relationship: Risks and Responsibilities
“AI is not a person. It's a machine full of code and chips and silicon and whatever else they put in the computers. They're not a flesh and blood human being.”
The Autism Dialogue Approach: Co-Creation and Equity
“Co-creation starts with the awareness, having an awareness of autism and some of the classic behavioural patterns and seeing autism as a difference, not a disorder.”
Managing Anxiety in Counselling Training
“Your why is bigger than all of those emotions. And going through those emotions is therapy. It really is.”
“AI is not a person. It's a machine full of code and chips and silicon and whatever else they put in the computers. They're not a flesh and blood human being.”
“Your why is bigger than all of those emotions. And going through those emotions is therapy. It really is.”
“Co-creation starts with the awareness, having an awareness of autism and some of the classic behavioural patterns and seeing autism as a difference, not a disorder.”
Hosts
Guest
Rory Lees-Oaks
person
Ken Kelly
person
Jonathan Drury
person
Counselling Tutor
organization
The Autism Dialogue Approach
book
Ethical AI in Practice for Counsellors and Psychotherapists in the UK
book
ChatGPT
other
David Bohm
person
Student Library
other
BACP Supervision Competence Framework
other
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