Why $PSUS deserves a premium to NAV and $PS deserves a premium multiple | Marlton's James Elbaor
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James Elbaor of Marlton argues that Pershing Square US (PSUS), the newly IPO'd closed-end fund, will trade at a premium to net asset value (NAV) over time—not because of its structure, but because of the unparalleled franchise quality and track record of Bill Ackman and his team. Despite trading at a 17% discount initially, Elbaor believes the market will eventually recognize PSUS as a holding company in disguise, with quarterly earnings calls, transparent reporting, and a compounding capital engine. He contrasts this with traditional closed-end funds and even other holding companies, which rarely trade at premiums. The real value, he says, lies in the permanent capital—$34 billion and growing at 20% annually—that cannot leave, creating massive operating leverage. Meanwhile, the management company PS trades at a 30x fee-related earnings multiple, which Elbaor sees as justified by its 85% ownership by Ackman, its clean income statement, and its ability to generate cash through fee streams and performance incentives. He dismisses concerns about key man risk, citing Ryan Israel’s leadership and a deep bench. The most compelling argument? PS is not just a fund—it’s a compounding machine with optionality, and the market is underpricing its future growth potential.
PSUS will likely trade at a premium to NAV over time due to its unique franchise quality and permanent capital structure, not just as a closed-end fund.
PS trades at 30x fee-related earnings, a multiple justified by its 85% founder ownership, clean income statement, and compounding capital engine.
The $34 billion in permanent capital at PS cannot leave, creating massive operating leverage—headcount is only 50, yet AUM could grow to $90 billion with 20% annual compounding.
PS’s performance incentives are fully aligned with shareholders: if the business does well, Bill does better; if it fails, he does worse.
Key man risk is mitigated by Ryan Israel’s proven leadership and a deep bench team with long tenures, including Ben Hakim.
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Introduction and Sponsor
Andrew Walker introduces the podcast and welcomes James Elbaor. The episode is sponsored by Fiscal.ai, a financial data provider with real-time fundamental data for AI integration.
The Pershing Square Complex: PSUS and PS
Elbaor introduces the two new entities: PSUS, the $5 billion closed-end fund, and PS, the publicly traded management company. He emphasizes their scale—PSUS is the largest U.S. equity closed-end fund ever launched.
Why PSUS Will Trade at a Premium
“I fundamentally don't see [PSUS] trading at a 17% discount. Once we get into a cadence of regular reporting, that discount is not going to be sitting at 17.”
PS vs. PSH: The London vs. U.S. Dilemma
Elbaor compares PSUS to Pershing Square Holdings (PSH) in London, which trades at a 32% discount. He explains why PSUS is more attractive: U.S. investor access, no performance fee, and 40-act constraints.
The Power of Permanent Capital
“You're looking at getting to 90 billion and the employee count is gonna be sub 75 people. Great overview.”
“at getting to 90, huh? 90 billion and the employee count is gonna be sub 75 people. Great overview.”
“I would say there was a risk, a key man risk of Bill. And I think that that has been significantly mitigated now.”
“This is an argument in the finance too, right? Like, hey, compare us to our peers. If we raise a five or $10 billion fund, it blows up our AUM versus our peers.”
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Bill Ackman
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Pershing Square US
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Pershing Management Company
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James Elbaor
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Pershing Square Holdings
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Andrew Walker
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Ryan Israel
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Marlton
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Spark
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KKR
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