President Donald Trump was a big fan of Queen Elizabeth II
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This episode of USA Today's The Excerpt explores the complex and often underappreciated relationship between Queen Elizabeth II and the U.S. presidents she met throughout her 70-year reign. Host Wendy Novel interviews Susan Page, Washington Bureau Chief and author of 'The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History,' who reveals that the Queen was not just a ceremonial figure but a shrewd diplomat who influenced global politics through personal diplomacy. The episode delves into pivotal moments—such as Truman calming a nervous young Elizabeth, Johnson’s refusal to meet her due to political and personal tensions, and Trump’s 2019 state visit marked by protocol breaches and a controversial brooch choice. Page shares that while Trump believed he was the Queen’s favorite, evidence suggests she held a deeper affection for Barack Obama, whom she called one of the 'giants of the 20th century.' The Queen’s subtle gestures—like wearing Michelle Obama’s brooch on the day Trump arrived—hinted at her political and emotional positioning. The episode also highlights how the Queen’s warmth toward Americans, especially during visits to California and Reagan’s ranch, contrasted with her more formal demeanor at home. Key takeaways include the idea that the Queen used personal diplomacy to maintain Britain’s global influence, that her relationships with presidents were strategic and emotionally nuanced, and that her choices—like wearing a gift from Michelle Obama—were deliberate signals. The episode underscores how a monarch’s quiet actions could carry significant weight in international relations. Despite the Queen’s public reserve, her private judgments and preferences shaped diplomatic dynamics in subtle but powerful ways.
The Queen used personal diplomacy to maintain Britain’s global influence despite the decline of the empire.
Her relationships with U.S. presidents were strategic, emotional, and often shaped by subtle gestures like jewelry choices.
Trump believed he was her favorite, but evidence suggests she had a deeper connection with Barack Obama.
The Queen’s decision to wear Michelle Obama’s brooch on the day Trump arrived was interpreted as a quiet political statement.
She valued authenticity and warmth, especially with Americans, and often appeared more relaxed in the U.S. than at home.
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Trump's State Visit and the Queen's First Impression
“Could Trump charm her into giving him the honor of being her favorite American president?”
Why Susan Page Wrote the Book
Susan Page explains her motivation for writing 'The Queen and Her Presidents,' driven by the fact that Elizabeth II met more U.S. presidents than any other person in history, and she wanted to uncover the deeper impact of these encounters.
The First Meeting: Truman and the Young Queen
“He reassured her the way he would have reassured his daughter Margaret, who was about the same age.”
Johnson’s Avoidance and the Carter Incident
“She complained that he was the only man since her sainted husband to have kissed her on the lips.”
Trump’s Protocol Breaks and the Brooch Message
“She chose to wear it for the only time in public after that on the day that Trump arrives in Great Britain for the first time.”
“She told a friend that during her lifetime, she had met such interesting people. And the two people she mentioned were Mother Teresa and Barack Obama.”
“She complained that he was the only man since her sainted husband to have kissed her on the lips.”
“She chose to wear it for the only time in public after that on the day that Trump arrives in Great Britain for the first time.”
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Wendy Novel
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USA Today
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Michelle Obama
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Jimmy Carter
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Lyndon B. Johnson
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