Menachos 79
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This episode of Daf Yomi with Dovid Charnowitz delves into the intricate halachic discussion of Menachos 79, focusing on the sanctification of the lechem (bread) and nesachim (libations) in relation to the shechita (slaughtering) of the korban. The core debate centers on whether a korban that was shechted with a flawed intention (machshavah) or found to be treifa (defective) or ba'al mum (blemished) can still render the accompanying lechem or nesachim kadosh (sanctified). The Gemara presents two main opinions: Rabbi Meir, who holds that only a 'pegel' (intentional error) renders the lechem kadosh, while ba'al mum does not; and Rabbi Yehuda, who argues that the machshavah of chutz le'mekayma (outside the proper time) is the key factor. The discussion then shifts to nesachim, where the Mishnah states that if the korban becomes pasul (invalid) after the nesachim were sanctified in a kli, they can be transferred to another korban. The Gemara challenges this, asking how this is possible if the shechita already tethered the nesachim to the original korban. The resolution involves understanding that the sanctification is tied to the zriqah (sprinkling of blood), not the shechita, and that a 'le'bezden masnah' (implicit condition) allows transfer only when another korban is already prepared. The episode concludes with a deep analysis of the logic behind these distinctions, emphasizing the importance of timing, intention, and the nature of the defect in determining sanctification. Key takeaways include: 1) The sanctification of lechem and nesachim is contingent on the validity of the korban's shechita and the nature of its defect; 2) A ba'al mum is treated differently from a treifa due to its potential for temporary blemish; 3) The transfer of nesachim to another korban is only permitted under specific conditions involving an already-shechted backup korban; 4) The concept of 'le'bezden masnah' (implicit condition) is crucial for allowing flexibility in ritual practice; 5) The Gemara distinguishes between components of the korban (like shemen) and add-ons (like nesachim) in terms of transferability; 6) The opinion of Rabbi Shimon is ultimately accepted, but only in cases where there is an alternative way to use the korban; 7) The discussion highlights the principle that the sanctification of ritual items is not automatic but depends on a complex interplay of intention, timing, and halachic precedent.
The sanctification of lechem and nesachim depends on the validity of the korban's shechita and the nature of its defect.
A ba'al mum is treated differently from a treifa due to its potential for temporary blemish.
Nesachim can only be transferred to another korban if another korban is already shechted and waiting.
The concept of 'le'bezden masnah' (implicit condition) allows for flexibility in ritual practice.
Components of the korban (like shemen) are not transferable like add-ons (like nesachim).
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Introduction to the Mishnah: Sanctification of Lechem and Nesachim
The episode begins with a review of the Mishnah in Menachos 79, focusing on the conditions under which the lechem (bread) and nesachim (libations) become sanctified. The discussion centers on the shechita of the korban toida and how a flawed intention (machshavah) or defect (treifa, ba'al mum) affects the sanctification of the accompanying lechem.
Rabbi Meir vs. Rabbi Yehuda: The Core Dispute on Machshavah
“According to Rabbi Yehuda, the Machlekes is by Chutzlah Mekayma. Rebbe Leezer, now we understand the Machleikis. Rebbe Leezer wanted Tataina, I should learn it from Pegel. Rabbi Kivas says, no, you can't learn from Pegel because a regular class of Chutzlah Mekaymei from Pegel is Chi of Karis.”
The Role of Zriqah in Sanctifying Nesachim
“The Gemara says no, you don't have to go like that. Ha-Ha! Over here, the Zerika, where we said Zerika is Mekajan. Here, because we're talking about Dam Nat Lechem, we could be talking about, even according to Rebels or Reb Shemim, you did the Shechita. The Shechita doesn't do anything. But the Dam is in a Kais.”
The Concept of Le'Bezden Masnah and Its Limits
“The Gemara says, we're not done yet with the Ukimtas in our Misha. Okay? We're talking about there was another carbon waiting in the wings. Since there was another carbon already shafted and already there, then it doesn't look like you're bringing it to another carbon. It's already sitting there. So we're not going to think he's there, we're not concerned.”
Conclusion: The Final Resolution and Rabbi Shimon's Opinion
The episode concludes by resolving the apparent contradiction in the Mishnah. The final ruling is that the Mishnah only applies to a korban tzibar (a specific type of korban) where another korban is already prepared. The Gemara confirms that this aligns with Rabbi Shimon's opinion, who holds that such a transfer is only permitted when there is an alternative way to use the korban, such as bringing it as an olah.
“According to Rabbi Yehuda, the Machlekes is by Chutzlah Mekayma. Rebbe Leezer, now we understand the Machleikis. Rebbe Leezer wanted Tataina, I should learn it from Pegel. Rabbi Kivas says, no, you can't learn from Pegel because a regular class of Chutzlah Mekaymei from Pegel is Chi of Karis.”
“The Gemara says no, you don't have to go like that. Ha-Ha! Over here, the Zerika, where we said Zerika is Mekajan. Here, because we're talking about Dam Nat Lechem, we could be talking about, even according to Rebels or Reb Shemim, you did the Shechita. The Shechita doesn't do anything. But the Dam is in a Kais.”
“The Gemara says, we're not done yet with the Ukimtas in our Misha. Okay? We're talking about there was another carbon waiting in the wings. Since there was another carbon already shafted and already there, then it doesn't look like you're bringing it to another carbon. It's already sitting there. So we're not going to think he's there, we're not concerned.”
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Shechita
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Zriqah
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Lechem
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Menachos
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Dovid Charnowitz
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Rabbi Yeshua
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Nesachim
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Rebbe Leezer
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Le'Bezden Masnah
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Rabbi Yehuda
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