Menachos 72
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This episode of Daf Yomi with Dovid Charnowitz delves into Menachos 72, focusing on the intricate halachic discussions surrounding the preparation and timing of the Omer offering. The central debate revolves around whether cutting the Omer grain during the day (b'diyeved) is permissible, and how this relates to the concept of 'Dei Cheshavas HaShabbos'—the idea that certain mitzvot must be performed on Shabbos, not before. The Gemara explores the views of Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Shimon, and Rabbi Yishmael, particularly examining whether the act of cutting the Omer is considered a 'hechsher mitzvah' (preparation for a mitzvah) that must be done at night to avoid violating Shabbos. The discussion also touches on the Rambam’s seemingly contradictory rulings and the Chacham Tzvi’s resolution based on the Yerushalmi, which allows for both day and night cutting under certain conditions. Later, the episode shifts to the laws of Minchas Chayteh and other offerings, analyzing when the Shirayim (leftovers) are eaten by the Kohanim and the significance of Kemitah (separating portions). The Gemara distinguishes between Rabbanan and Rav Shimon’s views, especially regarding whether a Kemitah necessarily implies consumption, using the unique case of Minchas Chayteh, which is entirely burned despite having a Kemitah. The episode concludes with a nuanced understanding of how different types of offerings are treated based on their nature and the intent behind their preparation.
Cutting the Omer during the day (b'diyeved) is permitted according to Rabbi Yishmael, but only if it was not cut at night.
The concept of 'Dei Cheshavas HaShabbos' requires that certain mitzvot, like the Omer, be performed at their proper time—specifically at night—though the Gemara debates whether this applies to the cutting or the offering itself.
Rabbi Shimon holds that even when a Kemitah is performed, the Shirayim may be burned (as in Minchas Chayteh), so we need a specific pasuk to teach that normally Shirayim are eaten.
The baking of the Sh'tei HaLechem (two loaves) is considered 'Dei Cheshavas HaShabbos' because the oven (tanur) is what makes the bread 'mekadesh' for the offering, requiring it to be done on Shabbos.
The Gemara distinguishes between different types of offerings: some are eaten, some burned, and the rules depend on the nature of the mitzvah and the role of preparation (machshir).
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The Omer and the Timing of Ketzirah
The episode begins with a review of the Mishnah’s discussion on cutting the Omer grain, focusing on whether it can be done before or after Shlish, and how this relates to the requirement of 'Reishas Ketzirchem'. The Gemara explores whether cutting for a mitzvah (like Mipnei Beis HaAvel) overrides the sanctity of grain that would otherwise be used for the Omer.
B'diyeved: Cutting During the Day
“If you didn't cut at night, you can cut during the day. That's what we're saying is Rebi Shita, go ahead and you can cut during the day.”
The Debate Over Dei Cheshavas HaShabbos
“If it's Dayche Shabbos, then Ketir has to be done at night. It wouldn't be kosher during the day. They seem to go hand in hand.”
The Rambam vs. the Bavli: A Contradiction?
“The Yerushalmi actually does say that it could be both. Meaning, the Yerushalmi in Rosh Hashanah who says that the Maskana Sava HaGemara there holds that Ketir is layelah Dayach HaShabbos even though it's kosher during the day.”
Kemitah and the Eating of Shirayim
The discussion shifts to the laws of Minchas Chayteh and other offerings, focusing on when the Shirayim (leftovers) are eaten by the Kohanim. The Gemara distinguishes between Rabbanan and Rav Shimon’s views, especially regarding whether a Kemitah implies consumption. The need for a separate pasuk to teach that even a barley Mincha (Se'orin) is eaten is highlighted.
“If it's Dayche Shabbos, then Ketir has to be done at night. It wouldn't be kosher during the day. They seem to go hand in hand.”
“The Yerushalmi actually does say that it could be both. Meaning, the Yerushalmi in Rosh Hashanah who says that the Maskana Sava HaGemara there holds that Ketir is layelah Dayach HaShabbos even though it's kosher during the day.”
“If you didn't cut at night, you can cut during the day. That's what we're saying is Rebi Shita, go ahead and you can cut during the day.”
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Dovid Charnowitz
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