Menachos 68
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This episode of Daf Yomi with Dovid Charnowitz explores the intricate halachic discussion surrounding the Minchas Ha'Emer (Omer offering) and its role in permitting the consumption of new grain (Chadash) in Eretz Yisrael. The episode delves into the debate between Rabbanan and Rabbi Yehuda regarding when Chadash becomes permitted: whether it is immediately upon the bringing of the Omer offering (Mishakara V'Emer), or only at the time of the Omer's offering (Heirah Mizrach). The discussion centers on the question of whether the Omer itself is the primary matir (permitter) or if it is the time of day (chatzais hayom) that permits Chadash. After the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash, Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai instituted a takana that the entire day of the 16th of Nisan remains Asur (forbidden) for Chadash, a stringency that became normative for Chutz La'aretz. The episode examines how different Amoraim in Bavel and Eretz Yisrael interpreted these rulings, with some holding the most stringent view—waiting until the night of the 17th—while others followed a more lenient approach. The discussion also touches on the order of bringing offerings, particularly whether bringing the Sh'tei HaLechem before the Omer invalidates the mitzvah, and concludes with a halachic analysis of whether a Minchas Chitin (barley offering) can be brought before the Sh'tei HaLechem, and whether such an offering would be valid B'di'eved.
The Omer offering (Minchas Ha'Emer) is the primary matir for Chadash in Eretz Yisrael, not just the time of day.
After the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash, Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai instituted a takana that the entire day of the 16th of Nisan is Asur for Chadash, even if the Omer was brought.
Rabbi Yehuda holds that Chadash is Asur the entire day regardless of the Omer's status, while the Rabbanan hold that the Omer itself permits Chadash immediately.
In Chutz La'aretz, the stringency of the takana led to waiting until the night of the 17th to eat Chadash, due to both the takana and the Soveikah (uncertainty) of the day.
The Gemara debates whether bringing the Sh'tei HaLechem before the Omer invalidates the mitzvah, and concludes that it is still valid B'di'eved.
The Role of the Omer in Permitting Chadash
“Once the Beis HaMikdash was destroyed, Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai made a takana that the whole day is going to be aser.”
The Debate: Omer vs. Heirah Mizrach
The central halachic dispute is explored: whether the Omer offering itself is the matir, or if it is the time of day (Heirah Mizrach) that permits Chadash. The host contrasts the views of Rabbi Yehuda and the Rabbanan.
The Takana of Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai
“The entire day it's Aser. Shneemer, because the Pesach says, that it's Osr to Yichadosh, which is the 16th.”
Amoraim's Practical Applications
The host analyzes how different Amoraim in Bavel and Eretz Yisrael applied these halachos in practice, including the most stringent view of waiting until the night of the 17th to eat Chadash.
Order of Offerings and B'di'eved Validity
The episode concludes with a discussion of whether bringing the Sh'tei HaLechem before the Omer is valid, and whether a Minchas Chitin brought before the Omer is acceptable B'di'eved.
“Once the Beis HaMikdash was destroyed, Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai made a takana that the whole day is going to be aser.”
“It must be that the Sh'te HaLechem is, yes, is chitin, but it must be that the oimer is going to be barley.”
“The entire day it's Aser. Shneemer, because the Pesach says, that it's Osr to Yichadosh, which is the 16th.”
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Beis HaMikdash
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Omer
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Dovid Charnowitz
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Sh'tei HaLechem
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Minchas Ha'Emer
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Rav Yochanan ben Zakkai
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Rabbi Yehuda
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Rabbanan
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Eretz Yisrael
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