778: How to Help People Flourish, with Marcus Buckingham

Coaching for Leaders39mApril 13, 2026

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In this episode of Coaching for Leaders, host Dave Stachowiak welcomes Marcus Buckingham, author of 'Design Love In,' to explore how leaders can foster genuine flourishing in their teams and organizations. Drawing from decades of research at Gallup and his own experiences, Buckingham argues that sustainable success comes not from metrics or compliance, but from designing experiences that evoke deep emotional connection—what people naturally describe as 'love.' He reveals that the key to this lies in a sequence of five feelings: control, harmony, significance, warmth of others, and growth. These feelings, when intentionally cultivated, allow individuals to shed emotional armor and feel more fully themselves, leading to loyalty, productivity, and passion. Buckingham emphasizes that leaders must shift from a linear, one-to-three mindset in performance management to a binary focus on 'fives'—those exceptional experiences that drive behavior change. He also critiques the modern corporate machine for neglecting emotional intelligence, advocating instead for 'experience intelligence' as a core leadership skill. The episode provides practical frameworks for leaders to implement, such as creating clarity (control), showing emotional attunement (harmony), personalizing interactions (significance), establishing single points of contact (warmth of others), and supporting ongoing personal growth—even after employees leave (growth). Buckingham shares powerful examples from companies like Lululemon, Chick-fil-A, and Southwest Airlines to illustrate how these principles work in practice. He concludes by directing listeners to two resources: designlovein.com for a 10-part video series on the book’s insights, and lovethat.com to develop the skill of experience intelligence. The conversation underscores that love in the workplace isn’t sentimental—it’s strategic, data-backed, and essential for long-term human and organizational thriving.

Key Takeaways
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Focus on creating 'fives'—exceptional experiences—not just improving from 'ones' to 'threes' to drive meaningful behavior change.

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Leaders are experience makers; their role is to design intentional, emotionally intelligent experiences that help people feel more fully themselves.

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The five feelings—control, harmony, significance, warmth of others, and growth—form a sequence that must be intentionally activated to foster love and flourishing.

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Love in the workplace means helping people shed emotional armor and express their authentic selves; it’s not about sentimentality but about human connection.

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Avoid the 'one-to-three' mindset; instead, adopt a 'one-to-three-to-five' framework where only the 'fives' drive sustainable performance and loyalty.

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Chapters
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10 min

The Power of Love in Leadership

Love dies from neglect. When we stop talking about it anymore, when we forget it, love dies from forgetting.

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10:00
10 min

The Myth of the Linear Experience-Outcome Relationship

It's only when you do something for customers or employees that's so remarkable, that's so meaningful, that hits them so hard in their heart that they go five, that we start seeing behavior change.

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20:00
10 min

The Five Feelings That Build Love

Any experience that allows us to take off one little plate of armor and lets us to express something inside of us, we call that love.

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30:00
10 min

Practical Leadership: From Control to Growth

The episode dives into real-world applications of the five feelings. Examples include Chick-fil-A’s clear mission (control), nurses’ pre-injection statements (harmony), personalized praise (significance), hospitalists in healthcare (warmth of others), and Lululemon’s celebration of ex-employees (growth). These illustrate how experience intelligence drives loyalty and performance.

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21 min

Building Experience Intelligence and Next Steps

Buckingham concludes by directing listeners to designlovein.com for a 10-part video series and lovethat.com to develop experience intelligence—the core leadership capability of designing emotionally resonant experiences. Dave wraps up with recommendations for related episodes on strengths, values, and top-line growth, encouraging listeners to join the free membership for full access.

High-Impact Quotes
Love dies from neglect. When we stop talking about it anymore, when we forget it, love dies from forgetting.
Marcus Buckingham5:15
Viral: 90.0
Any experience that allows us to take off one little plate of armor and lets us to express something inside of us, we call that love.
Marcus Buckingham14:48
Viral: 88.0
It's only when you do something for customers or employees that's so remarkable, that's so meaningful, that hits them so hard in their heart that they go five, that we start seeing behavior change.
Marcus Buckingham9:44
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Dave Stachowiak

Guest

Marcus Buckingham
Topics Discussed
Leadership and Human Flourishing95%The Five Feelings of Love92%Experience Intelligence90%Employee Engagement and Loyalty88%Emotional Intelligence in Organizations85%Customer Experience Design82%Organizational Culture and Values78%Performance Management and Feedback75%
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Design Love In

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Gallup

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Lululemon

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Chick-fil-A

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Southwest Airlines

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Harvard Business Review

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