777: How to Help Employees Handle Tough Moments, with Anthony Klotz
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In this episode of Coaching for Leaders, host Dave Stachowiak welcomes organizational psychologist and professor Anthony Klotz, author of 'Jolted: Why We Quit, When to Stay, and Why It Matters.' The conversation centers on the concept of 'jolts'—sudden, impactful events that force individuals to reevaluate their relationship with work. Klotz explains that while jolts are often emotional and disruptive, they can serve as powerful wake-up calls for career growth. Crucially, leaders play a pivotal role in shaping how employees process these moments. By providing clear, fair explanations for difficult decisions—such as pay cuts, layoffs, or restructuring—managers can mitigate negative reactions, reduce turnover, and even prevent employee theft. The episode highlights research showing that simply adding 40–50 seconds of procedural fairness explanations dramatically improves employee trust and behavior. Klotz also emphasizes the importance of psychological safety, partnership, and open communication, warning against leadership phrases like 'don’t bring me problems, bring me solutions,' which can discourage vital conversations. He advocates for leaders to become trusted sounding boards, using their foresight to anticipate jolts and proactively support their teams. The episode concludes with a call to action for leaders to embrace transparency, fairness, and emotional intelligence to help employees navigate tough moments constructively. Key takeaways include: 1) Jolts are inevitable but manageable with proactive leadership; 2) Fairness in process—not just outcomes—is critical to employee trust; 3) Explaining the 'why' behind tough decisions reduces negative reactions; 4) Leaders should foster psychological safety by encouraging problem-sharing; 5) The way bad news is delivered matters more than the news itself; 6) Employees who feel unfairly treated are more likely to quit abruptly or burn bridges; 7) Early warning signs of turnover often lie in how employees depart; 8) Building partnerships—both within and outside the organization—can help individuals navigate jolts more effectively. The episode is a compelling case for leaders to lead with empathy, clarity, and courage during times of change.
Jolts are pivotal moments that force reevaluation of one's relationship with work, and leaders can shape how employees respond to them.
Fairness in process—explaining the 'why' behind decisions—has a greater impact on employee trust than the outcome itself.
Simply adding 40–50 seconds of procedural explanation to bad news can significantly reduce turnover and theft.
Leaders should avoid phrases like 'don’t bring me problems' and instead create psychological safety for open dialogue.
Predicting jolts and intervening early can insulate high performers and prevent negative reactions.
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Introducing the Concept of Jolts in Careers
The episode opens with host Dave Stachowiak introducing the concept of 'jolts'—sudden events that force individuals to reevaluate their relationship with work. He sets the stage for a conversation with Anthony Klotz, a leading expert on employee behavior and the Great Resignation.
Defining Jolts and Their Impact on Career Decisions
“A jolt is an event that makes you stop and rethink your relationship with work.”
The Manager’s Power to Buffer or Amplify Jolts
“Managers have the power to make changes that buffer the negative effects of jolts on employees.”
Predicting Jolts: The Leader’s Strategic Advantage
“From the manager perspective, and one of the points that you make is that managers often can predict jolts.”
The Power of Explanation and Fairness in Bad News
“People can take bad news as long as the procedures via which that bad news came to be were explained and they deem them fair.”
“In the plant where a fair explanation was given for the pay cuts, nobody quit during the study period.”
“People can take bad news as long as the procedures via which that bad news came to be were explained and they deem them fair.”
“A jolt is an event that makes you stop and rethink your relationship with work.”
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Dave Stachowiak
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Coaching for Leaders
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Jolted
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Seth Godin
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The Dip
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Elizabeth Littardo
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Andrew Kroger
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