Children and happiness, Miscarriage leave, Extramarital pairings

Woman's Hour57mApril 7, 2026

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This episode of Woman's Hour explores three interconnected themes: the emotional and societal implications of miscarriage, the complex relationship between parenthood and happiness, and the moral and psychological dimensions of extramarital relationships. The programme opens with a landmark development in Northern Ireland, where miscarriage leave—two weeks of paid time off for both women and their partners—has become law, marking a significant shift in workplace support for baby loss. Guests Niamh Campbell and Erin Sharkey discuss the political and personal significance of this change, emphasizing how it validates grief and breaks the silence around miscarriage. The conversation then shifts to a recent study showing no measurable increase in happiness among parents compared to non-parents, prompting a nuanced discussion with authors Ella Whelan and photographer Iko Haruna. They challenge the cultural myth that children are a source of happiness, arguing instead that parenting brings meaning, but also immense pressure, especially when expectations are inflated by modern 'intensive parenting' culture. The episode critiques the societal burden placed on children to fulfill parental emotional needs and advocates for a more balanced, joyful approach to raising kids. Finally, the programme features a discussion with author Sophie McIntosh about her new novel *Permanence*, a speculative story about adulterous couples who are whisked away to a secluded city to live out their affair in isolation. The book serves as a meditation on desire, yearning, and the fragility of love, highlighting how even paradise can be haunted by the compromises and harms inherent in relationships. Throughout, the episode underscores the importance of empathy, support systems, and redefining what it means to live a meaningful life—whether as a parent, a partner, or a person navigating loss and longing.

Key Takeaways
1

Northern Ireland has become the first UK region to introduce paid miscarriage leave for both women and their partners, validating grief and reducing stigma.

2

Parenthood does not reliably increase happiness, but can provide deep meaning—especially when expectations are realistic and balanced.

3

Modern parenting culture often imposes unrealistic emotional demands, leading to burnout; joy and connection matter more than perfection.

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Children should not be seen as emotional 'completion' for parents—this places undue pressure on them and distorts healthy family dynamics.

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Extramarital affairs, as explored in Sophie McIntosh’s novel *Permanence*, reveal the complexity of desire and the emotional cost of living in a 'perfect' but isolated world.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Northern Ireland Leads UK in Miscarriage Leave

It's so important that partners are considered and are included in this legislation too.

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10:00
20 min

The Emotional Toll of Miscarriage and the Need for Support

You're very emotional and you're not going to be a productive employee either. So to be able to take that time at a later date when you need it is really, really important.

Highlight
30:00
20 min

Does Parenthood Make You Happy? The Study That Challenges Assumptions

Children don't make you happy. They only fulfill you, which is interesting, kind of as a different dimension.

Highlight
50:00
20 min

The Myth of the 'Perfect' Parent and the Pressure to Perform

The hosts and guests critique the rise of 'intensive parenting'—with its demands for gentle parenting, exclusive breastfeeding, and constant emotional availability—arguing that it harms parental well-being. They advocate for a more balanced, joyful approach and emphasize the importance of community support ('the village') and personal identity beyond motherhood.

1:10:00
25 min

A Love Story with a Hint of Menace: Sophie McIntosh on 'Permanence'

I was in a place of yearning and I am no longer in a place of yearning and that feels... like a nice place to be.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
The shame shouldn't be with me and the control shouldn't be with him. It's the shame should be with him and the control is with me.
Sophie (anonymous survivor)46:47
Viral: 92.0
I was in a place of yearning and I am no longer in a place of yearning and that feels... like a nice place to be.
Sophie McIntosh56:46
Viral: 90.0
Children don't make you happy. They only fulfill you, which is interesting, kind of as a different dimension.
Listener (Liz)27:57
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Nuala McGovern

Guests

Niamh CampbellErin SharkeyElla WhelanIko HarunaSophie McIntoshLaura Miller
Topics Discussed
miscarriage leave95%parenthood and happiness90%emotional well-being in parenting85%extramarital affairs in literature80%desire and yearning78%support systems for parents75%mental health and trauma recovery72%gender and societal expectations70%
People & Brands

Sophie McIntosh

person

15xPositive

Erin Sharkey

person

12xPositive

Permanence

book

12xPositive

Iko Haruna

person

12xPositive

Ella Whelan

person

10xPositive

Sophie (anonymous survivor)

person

8xPositive

Niamh Campbell

person

8xPositive

Laura Miller

person

6xPositive

Miscarriage Association

organization

6xPositive

Nuala McGovern

person

5xNeutral

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