Artemis II, Meg Jones, 'Battlefield techniques abuse'
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The Woman's Hour podcast episode explores the triumphs and challenges of three extraordinary women, beginning with the historic launch of NASA's Artemis II mission—the first crewed lunar mission in over 50 years. Sian Cleaver, a spacecraft engineer from Airbus, shares her journey from a childhood fascination with space to playing a vital role in building the European Service Module for the Orion spacecraft. She reflects on the underrepresentation of women in engineering and the emotional weight of seeing her dream come true, especially with her parents present at the launch. The conversation then shifts to Meg Jones, the new captain of England’s women’s rugby team, the Red Roses. Meg discusses her leadership style, the importance of team culture, and how she overcame personal tragedy—losing both parents in a single year—while maintaining her elite performance. She also reveals her resilience during lockdown, when she worked as an Amazon delivery driver, and her advocacy for mental health and addiction awareness through her patronage of The Living Room. The episode concludes with a powerful and distressing segment on domestic abuse within the UK military, exposing how serving and ex-military personnel have allegedly used battlefield techniques to abuse partners and children. Natalie Page of the Survivor Family Network reveals a dossier of 52 cases, highlighting systemic failures in the Ministry of Defence’s support systems, where victims are left unprotected and perpetrators are shielded by rank and institutional loyalty. The episode closes with Ella King, author of the novel 'Dear Darling', discussing her bold retelling of 'Lolita' from the survivor’s perspective, her own journey from lawyer to writer, and her commitment to representing marginalized voices through fiction.
The Artemis II mission marks a historic return to crewed lunar exploration, with women playing critical roles in its success.
Meg Jones exemplifies resilience and leadership, balancing personal grief with elite athletic performance and advocating for mental health and body positivity in sport.
Women in the military face systemic barriers when reporting domestic abuse, with victims often denied support and perpetrators protected by rank and institutional loyalty.
Fiction can be a powerful tool for healing and truth-telling, as seen in Ella King’s novel 'Dear Darling', which gives voice to survivors of abuse.
Support systems must be independent and trauma-informed to protect victims, especially when powerful institutions like the military are involved.
Artemis II Launch and the Dream of Space
“I'm just so proud that I'm part of the team that helped to build it. Lots of last minute preparations before launching.”
Meg Jones: Captain of the Red Roses and Resilience in Sport
“True believer, your response is your responsibility. So, you know, make the most of it and pick the right choice for you, not for anyone else.”
Domestic Abuse in the Military: The Hidden Epidemic
“The higher the rank, the top brass, the more of a free pass these men seem to get.”
Ella King and the Power of Fiction: 'Dear Darling'
Author Ella King discusses her novel 'Dear Darling', a post-V2 retelling of 'Lolita' from the survivor’s perspective. She explores the complex trauma of abuse, motherhood, and identity, drawing from her work with survivors and her own experience with cancer. The novel challenges societal silence around abuse and gives voice to marginalized stories.
Dreams Realized: Listener Stories and Closing Reflections
The episode closes with messages from listeners who have fulfilled childhood dreams—ranging from becoming a nurse to a corporate lawyer turned author. Anita Rani shares her own journey from dreaming of being an air hostess to finally becoming cabin crew at age 65. The programme ends with a call to action for those affected by abuse to seek support.
“We cannot keep sending men trained to kill into family homes and then act surprised when they are violent in family homes.”
“The higher the rank, the top brass, the more of a free pass these men seem to get.”
“The system needs to be completely separated, one team for victims and one team for perpetrators.”
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Sian Cleaver
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Natalie Page
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England women's rugby team
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Ella King
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Dear Darling
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