Stop Playing Small, Darling w/ Emma Grede
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In this powerful episode of *Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts*, the conversation centers on self-acceptance, ambition, and the courage to be honest about one's desires. Sarah opens with a deeply personal reflection on forgiving oneself, especially in youth, emphasizing that time alone does not bring forgiveness—compassion and intentional self-work do. She shares how God’s perspective on her past mistakes transformed her shame into empathy. The episode then shifts to an electrifying interview with Emma Grede, co-founder of Skims and Good American, whose book *Start With Yourself* challenges women to embrace their ambition without apology. Emma reveals her journey from East London’s gritty streets to global entrepreneurship, highlighting how her default emotion of anger was a survival mechanism that she had to confront through therapy. She advocates for self-leadership, emotional honesty, and the radical idea that caring for oneself isn’t selfish—it’s essential for being present and effective in all roles, especially as a mother and leader. Emma dismantles the myth of the 'overnight success,' stresses the importance of financial responsibility, and calls for women to stop hiding behind purpose and start demanding profitability and power. The conversation culminates in a call to action: own your dreams, no matter how small they seem, and lead with excellence, gratitude, and intention. Sarah closes with a prayer for divine urgency, urging listeners to step boldly into their God-given destinies.
Forgiveness comes not from time, but from compassion and intentional self-work.
Ambition requires honesty—say what you want, even if it feels bold or uncomfortable.
Self-care is not selfish; it’s foundational to being able to care for others.
Emotional intelligence is a leadership skill—address your anger, fear, and guilt to get out of your own way.
Excellence, not scale, is the true measure of ambition—be the best at what you do, no matter the role.
…and 2 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Myth of Time and Forgiveness
“Time does not ensure that you will forgive yourself. Just because the days pass by, it doesn't mean that there's this secret sauce of forgiveness that you'll experience in each day.”
The Birth of a Rogue Leader
Sarah introduces Emma Grede as a woman who embodies 'rogue' leadership—unapologetically honest, decisive, and driven. She highlights how Emma’s book *Start With Yourself* challenges cultural norms that pressure women to be nice, palatable, and self-sacrificing.
Vision, Action, and the Myth of Overnight Success
“There is no such thing as an overnight success. I have been working since I was 12 years old.”
Emotional Work: The Hidden Foundation of Success
“If you don't deal with your emotions, they will deal with you. It's just that simple.”
East London to Global Influence: Roots of Grit
Emma reflects on her upbringing in East London, acknowledging both the danger and the deep community bonds that shaped her values—loyalty, integrity, and care for others. She credits her roots for her resilience and moral compass.
“There is no such thing as an overnight success. I have been working since I was 12 years old.”
“If you don't deal with your emotions, they will deal with you. It's just that simple.”
“You have to get real about what you're doing it for. The purpose of running a business is to make a profit, whether you like it or not.”
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