RWH067: Prudent Investing In Perilous Times w/ Matthew McLennan

We Study Billionaires - The Investor’s Podcast Network1h 37mApril 12, 2026

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In this three-part episode of *We Study Billionaires*, William Green sits down with Matthew McLennan, head of the global value team at First Eagle Investments and a central figure in Green’s book *Richer, Wiser, Happier*, to explore the principles of prudent investing in an era of escalating geopolitical and economic uncertainty. McLennan emphasizes that financial markets are inherently unpredictable and shaped by complex, non-linear forces—drawing parallels to historical crises like the 1970s oil shocks and Thucydides’ *History of the Peloponnesian War*. Rather than attempting to forecast crises, he advocates for proactive portfolio construction centered on resilience, safety, and margin of safety. Central to his philosophy is 'variegation'—intentional diversity across industries, geographies, and asset types—not mere statistical diversification. He positions gold as a 'positional asset' with enduring value during times of turmoil and underscores the importance of patience, humility, and long-term discipline in navigating volatile markets. The conversation also explores how adversity shapes wisdom, how non-investment pursuits like art, travel, and sports stimulate creativity and pattern recognition, and how a team culture built on shared curiosity, wonder, and intellectual diversity leads to superior decision-making. McLennan reflects on the transformative power of lifelong learning and the profound influence of mentors and books in shaping his worldview, culminating in a heartfelt appreciation for his collaboration with Green.

Key Takeaways
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Prioritize resilience and survival over short-term returns by building portfolios with margin of safety, cash for optionality, and anti-fragile assets like gold.

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Adopt 'variegation'—intentional, non-uniform diversity across industries, geographies, and asset types—as a superior alternative to passive diversification.

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Humility is foundational to investing: recognizing the limits of prediction prevents overvaluation and fosters disciplined decision-making.

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Engage in unfamiliar, non-investment activities (e.g., sports, art, travel) to stimulate right-brain thinking, creativity, and cognitive flexibility.

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Long-term success is driven by a team culture rooted in shared curiosity, wonder, intellectual diversity, and lifelong learning—akin to a modern-day guild.

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Chapters
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20 min

The Unpredictable World and the Case for Resilience

The winds of war are not highly foreseeable. I think, as one can objectively say that the US and Israel had degraded Iran's strike capacity... but Iran is obviously resorting to asymmetric methods to fight its cause.

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30 min

Variegation, Positional Assets, and the Business Gardener Mindset

Variegation is kind of different and it's more in line with the notion of being a business gardener, which is if you think of a garden, what makes a garden beautiful is its non-uniformity in a sense that it has different trees, different pockets, different experiences.

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40 min

The Power of Patience, Process, and Humility

The reward is in doing something well. And so we spent a lot of time as a team thinking about are we doing our research well? You know, I'll be really thinking about business competitive advantage thoughtfully?

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1:25:43
1 min

Humility as a Prerequisite for Prudent Investing

There are two types of investors, they're humble investors and investors who are about to be humbled.

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1:26:59
2 min

Adversity as a Catalyst for Growth

A gemstone is not polished without friction, nor is a man without adversities.

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High-Impact Quotes
A gemstone is not polished without friction, nor is a man without adversities.
Seneca88:36
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Mankind will not perish for want of information but only for want of appreciation.
Abraham Heschel (quoted by Matthew McLennan)99:13
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Variegation is kind of different and it's more in line with the notion of being a business gardener, which is if you think of a garden, what makes a garden beautiful is its non-uniformity in a sense that it has different trees, different pockets, different experiences.
Matthew McLennan19:54
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Speakers

Host

William Green

Guest

Matthew McLennan
Topics Discussed
Resilient Investing95%humility in investing95%Geopolitical Risk and Market Uncertainty90%Appreciation of Beauty90%adversity and resilience90%Patience and Long-Term Thinking88%anti-fragile portfolio construction85%Right Brain Development85%Team-Based Investment Culture80%
People & Brands

Matthew McLennan

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28xPositive

William Green

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Gold

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First Eagle Investments

organization

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The Snow Leopard

book

7xPositive

The Matter with Things

book

5xPositive

Iain McGilchrist

person

5xPositive

Jean-Marie Evayard

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Thucydides

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Abraham Heschel

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