Episode 102 - Toronto Under Construction with Mike Czestochowski of CBRE, Josh Lerner of Harbour Equity, and Sharon Florian of Florian Group

Toronto Under Construction1h 35mMarch 31, 2026

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In this candid and insightful episode of Toronto Under Construction, host Ben Myers convenes a roundtable with three industry leaders—Sharon Florian of Florian Real Estate Group, Mike Czestochowski of CBRE, and Josh Lerner of Harbour Equity—to dissect the current state of Toronto's real estate market. The conversation reveals a market in deep correction, marked by stalled condo developments, distressed land sales, and a significant decline in investor confidence. Despite the turmoil, the guests agree that the fundamentals of Toronto’s economy and population growth remain strong, with the city’s diversity and resilience offering long-term stability. They highlight a growing shift toward purpose-built rental, value-add investments, and low-rise developments, while cautioning against new high-rise pre-construction projects due to oversupply and weak demand. The panel emphasizes that timing is critical, with many predicting a market turnaround around 2028–2029, driven by a looming supply cliff. They also call for urgent policy changes—such as HST and DC relief, 105% financing, and faster approvals—to stimulate activity and prevent a prolonged downturn. The episode closes with a rapid-fire segment offering sharp, humorous insights into market realities, from AI agents to condo fees and developer behavior. Key takeaways include: (1) The high-density land market remains frozen, with 75% of CBRE’s listings now distressed; (2) Developers are shifting from condos to rental and low-rise projects due to risk and demand shifts; (3) A supply shortage is expected by 2028–2029, which will likely trigger a sharp rebound in prices and rents; (4) Policy uncertainty—especially around HST, DCs, and foreign buyer rules—is a major deterrent to market recovery; (5) The most resilient investors are those who are patient, value-focused, and willing to act when the market shows signs of turning. The overall sentiment is cautiously optimistic, grounded in realism, and focused on long-term structural recovery rather than short-term speculation.

Key Takeaways
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75% of high-density land listings are now distressed, signaling a deep market correction.

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The market is shifting from pre-construction condos to purpose-built rental and low-rise developments.

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A supply cliff is expected by 2028–2029, which will likely trigger a sharp rebound in rents and prices.

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Policy uncertainty—especially around HST, DCs, and foreign buyer rules—is a major barrier to recovery.

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The most resilient investors are those who are patient, value-focused, and ready to act when the market turns.

Chapters
0:00
10 min

Market Reality Check: Toronto's Real Estate in Crisis

Toronto is the city in Canada. The sky is not falling. Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of other places for people to go if they want to move up.

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10:00
20 min

Distress in the Land Market: Who’s Losing and Why

The panel dives into the growing wave of distressed land sales, with Mike Czestochowski detailing how B&C lenders are refusing to sell at deep discounts, and developers are stuck with land worth half their purchase price. Josh Lerner and Sharon Florian confirm that equity providers and investors are bearing the brunt of losses.

30:00
20 min

The End of the Condo Boom: From Pre-Sales to Rental Shift

We're looking more existing stuff, value add type stuff, because taking the risk of a ground up development in the market today... It's really hard to justify.

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50:00
20 min

The Role of Policy: HST, DCs, and the Need for Government Action

Let's stop trying to reinvent it and build it ourselves as the government. We have smart private developers. Let's get going.

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1:10:00
20 min

The Future of Development: Value, Not Amenities

I'd rather spend my money where I would like to spend it. Right. Like if I happen to like Pilates, I'll go and pay my $50 per Pilates class versus paying my maintenance fee.

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High-Impact Quotes
Toronto is the city in Canada. The sky is not falling. Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of other places for people to go if they want to move up.
Ben Myers0:02
Viral: 90.0
Let's stop trying to reinvent it and build it ourselves as the government. We have smart private developers. Let's get going.
Ben Myers68:14
Viral: 88.0
Once the completions dry up completely in the high-rise market, meaning there's going to be no rental product coming on, rents are going to shoot back up.
Ben Myers45:44
Viral: 87.0
Speakers

Host

Ben Myers

Guests

Sharon FlorianMike CzestochowskiJosh Lerner
Topics Discussed
Distressed Real Estate95%Condo Market Correction92%High-Density Land Market90%Purpose-Built Rental88%Policy and Government Intervention85%Low-Rise Development80%Developer Liquidity and Equity78%Buyer Behavior and Market Psychology75%
People & Brands

Toronto

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30xPositive

Sharon Florian

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25xPositive

Mike Czestochowski

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20xPositive

Josh Lerner

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18xPositive

Ben Myers

person

15xNeutral

GTA

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15xPositive

CBRE

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12xPositive

Harbour Equity

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10xPositive

CMHC

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10xPositive

Florian Real Estate Group

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8xPositive

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