Rewiring for AI: From ambition to advantage

The McKinsey Podcast20mMay 7, 2026

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In this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, hosts Lucia Raheli and Kate Smage, joined by McKinsey partner Rob Levin, discuss the second edition of their bestselling book *Rewired*, which explores how organizations can achieve sustained advantage in the age of AI. The conversation centers on the shift from isolated AI pilots to company-wide, end-to-end workflow transformation—especially with the rise of generative and agentic AI. The hosts emphasize that success isn’t about the number of MVPs launched, but about scaling impactful workflows across entire business footprints. Drawing on real-world examples like DBS Bank and Freeport McMorrin, they highlight how early investment in AI capabilities leads to compounding returns: 20% average EBITDA uplift, cash accretion in 1–2 years, and a $3 return for every $1 invested. The discussion underscores that AI transformation is not a one-time project but a continuous, organization-wide 'muscle' requiring leadership alignment, talent rethinking, and a focus on business-led, domain-specific change. Key takeaways include the importance of focusing on three or fewer high-leverage business domains, building talent density with both human and AI 'employees,' and rethinking adoption as a strategic priority—not an afterthought. Accountability must be both top-down (with CEO ownership) and distributed across the leadership team. The episode concludes with practical advice: start with value-driven use cases, embrace iterative experimentation, and recognize that agility—measured by speed to production and reinvestment—is the new competitive edge. The overall tone is energized and forward-looking, emphasizing that AI is not a threat but a catalyst for reinvention.

Key Takeaways
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Focus on end-to-end workflows, not isolated MVPs, to achieve scalable AI impact.

2

Invest in 3 or fewer high-leverage business domains to maximize economic return.

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AI transformation is a people transformation—build talent density and rethink roles.

4

Adoption must be planned from the start: include suppliers, processes, and change management.

5

Speed to production (e.g., DBS Bank’s shift from 18 months to 2 months) is a key competitive metric.

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Chapters
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5 min

The Shift from Pilots to Company-Wide AI Scaling

We're less interested in the number of successful MVPs. We're more interested in how many of these end-to-end workflows have fully scaled across the entire footprint of a company where it's relevant.

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5:00
5 min

The Business Case for AI: Value, Speed, and ROI

For every dollar that they are spending of investment, they're getting $3 back on average.

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10:00
5 min

The Six Capabilities of a Rewired Organization

Rob Levin outlines the six foundational capabilities—business-led strategy, talent density, technology and data, adoption and scaling, and more—emphasizing how agentic AI has raised the bar for each, especially in software development and workflow automation.

15:00
5 min

Case Studies: DBS Bank and Freeport McMorrin

They're on record publicly for this, around a billion of Singaporean dollars of tangible, verifiable benefits from AI.

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20:00
5 min

How to Get Started: Practical Steps for Leaders

Every AI transformation is at its heart a people transformation. We wrote that in book one. That is more true today than it has ever been.

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High-Impact Quotes
Every AI transformation is at its heart a people transformation. We wrote that in book one. That is more true today than it has ever been.
Kate Smage12:23
Viral: 88.0
We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training.
Rob Levin2:03
Viral: 85.0
They're on record publicly for this, around a billion of Singaporean dollars of tangible, verifiable benefits from AI.
Kate Smage10:10
Viral: 82.0
Speakers

Hosts

Lucia RaheliRoberta Fasaro

Guests

Rob LevinKate Smage
Topics Discussed
AI Transformation Strategy95%Measurable AI ROI and Value Capture92%End-to-End Workflow Automation90%Business-Led AI Adoption88%Agentic AI and Software Development87%Talent Density and Workforce Transformation85%Scaling AI Across Organizations83%Leadership Accountability in AI80%
People & Brands

Kate Smage

person

15xPositive

Rewired

book

12xPositive

Rob Levin

person

12xPositive

McKinsey

organization

10xPositive

Generative AI

other

8xPositive

Lucia Raheli

person

8xNeutral

Agentic AI

other

7xPositive

DBS Bank

organization

5xPositive

Freeport McMorrin

organization

4xPositive

LATAM Airlines

organization

3xPositive

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