050726 ~ Heating and Cooling, Home and Business - Lance Jerry & Ericka Hall

The Lucy Ann Lance Show15mMay 7, 2026

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Ann Arbor's new green housing ordinance is forcing landlords to meet strict energy efficiency standards—or face recurring compliance costs—yet the city hasn't yet offered rebates to offset the $5,000+ price tag of a HERS assessment, a key compliance route. Lance Jerry of Cabrio Mechanical reveals that while the HERS rating is more expensive upfront, it’s a one-time fix that avoids annual checklist renewals, making it a smarter long-term investment. He also warns that simple oversights—like clogged filters or dirty condensers—can destroy compressors and lead to costly repairs. The episode underscores a critical tension: Ann Arbor’s aggressive 2030 green goals are pushing property owners toward sustainability, but without financial support, the burden falls heavily on small landlords. Meanwhile, Cabrio Mechanical’s dual role as a veteran-owned HVAC provider and property manager gives them unique insight into both the technical and business challenges of compliance. Their service agreements, which include seasonal maintenance, are positioned as essential tools for extending equipment life and avoiding emergencies. The conversation also reveals a surprising shift: boilers—once rare in homes—are actually more efficient than forced-air systems in Ann Arbor’s older residential buildings, offering better temperature stability and cleaner air. Yet many homeowners remain unaware of them.

Key Takeaways
1

Landlords in Ann Arbor must comply with a new green housing ordinance or face annual recertification costs, with HERS assessments being the most efficient but expensive route.

2

A HERS assessment costs $5,000+ but is a one-time compliance requirement, unlike the annual green checklist, which must be repeated every recertification.

3

Clogged air filters and dirty condensers are the #1 cause of AC and furnace failures—changing filters every 90 days prevents compressor burnout.

4

Boilers are more energy-efficient than forced-air systems in older Ann Arbor homes and provide better temperature stability and air quality.

5

Service agreements with Cabrio Mechanical include seasonal maintenance for furnaces, AC, and water heaters, extending equipment life and preventing costly emergencies.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introducing Ann Arbor's Green Housing Ordinance

Once you're past that, you're good for life basically.

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2:20
3 min

HERS vs. Checklist: The Cost and Longevity Trade-Off

Lance breaks down the financial and logistical differences between the HERS assessment and the green rental checklist, emphasizing that while HERS is costly upfront, it’s a one-time compliance, whereas the checklist must be repeated annually.

5:00
3 min

The Case for Rebates and City Support

I would hope so. I mean, you would, Tim, in my mind, you would have to offer at least a $5,000 rebate for, you know, some of these properties.

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8:00
3 min

Maintenance Myths and Real-World Fixes

Once that gets clogged in, it's basically trying to breathe with your hand over your mouth. It's just not going to happen.

Highlight
11:00
3 min

Boilers: The Hidden Efficiency Advantage

Ericka and Lance reveal that boilers are more efficient than forced-air systems in older Ann Arbor homes, offering better temperature stability and cleaner air, despite slower heat-up times.

High-Impact Quotes
Once that gets clogged in, it's basically trying to breathe with your hand over your mouth. It's just not going to happen.
Lance Jerry11:13
Viral: 82.0
Once you're past that, you're good for life basically.
Lance Jerry5:22
Viral: 78.0
Boilers are actually more efficient than forced air heating, actually.
Lance Jerry14:38
Viral: 70.0
Speakers

Host

Lucy Ann Lance

Guests

Lance JerryEricka Hall
Topics Discussed
green housing ordinance95%hers assessment90%air conditioning maintenance85%furnace lifespan75%boiler heating systems70%service agreements65%filter maintenance60%ann arbor sustainability55%
People & Brands

Ann Arbor

place

30xNeutral

Cabrio Mechanical

organization

22xPositive

Lance Jerry

person

18xPositive

Ericka Hall

person

12xPositive

Cabrio Properties

organization

8xPositive

Builders and Remodelers Association of Greater Ann Arbor

organization

4xNeutral

D.R. Nelson

organization

2xNeutral

desireusa.org

product

2xPositive

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