Lawfare Daily: Chatting on Chatrie with Adam Unikowsky, Michael Dreeben, and Richard Salgado

The Lawfare Podcast1h 2mMay 5, 2026

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This episode of Lawfare Daily examines the Supreme Court case *Chattree v. United States*, which centers on the constitutionality of geofence warrants—search warrants that compel tech companies like Google to identify all devices within a virtual perimeter around a crime scene. The case arises from a bank robbery investigation where law enforcement used a geofence warrant to access anonymized location data from 19 devices, narrowed it down to nine suspects, and ultimately de-anonymized three, one of whom was convicted. The core legal question is whether this process constitutes a Fourth Amendment search and whether the warrant is sufficiently particularized. Legal experts Adam Unikowsky, Michael Dreeben, and Richard Salgado dissect the case, debating whether the government’s use of algorithms to scan millions of user accounts amounts to a search, the applicability of *Carpenter v. United States*, and the broader implications for digital privacy. They also discuss the practical realities of how companies like Google handle such warrants, the limitations of analogies to physical searches, and the risks of expanding government surveillance powers under the guise of technological necessity. The conversation underscores the tension between law enforcement’s need to solve crimes and the erosion of privacy in the digital age. The episode highlights the evolving nature of Fourth Amendment doctrine in response to technological change. While the government argues that geofence warrants are narrow and supported by probable cause, the petitioners contend they are functionally general warrants that violate the Fourth Amendment’s core principle of particularity. Experts debate whether the digital world’s infrastructure—such as cloud-based accounts—should be treated as a protected space akin to a physical home or locker. Richard Salgado emphasizes that the real-world experience of users is not captured by outdated analogies, while Michael Dreeben warns that a broad ruling could undermine future surveillance reforms. The stakes are high: a decision either upholding geofence warrants could enable mass data sweeps, while striking them down could hinder investigations. Ultimately, the episode reveals a pivotal moment in digital privacy law, where the court may be forced to redefine what constitutes a search in an era of algorithmic surveillance.

Key Takeaways
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Geofence warrants compel tech companies to scan millions of user accounts to identify devices within a virtual perimeter around a crime scene, raising major Fourth Amendment concerns.

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The central legal debate is whether algorithmic searches of cloud-based accounts constitute a 'search' under the Fourth Amendment, even if no human reviews the data.

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The case tests the limits of *Carpenter v. United States*, which protected cell site location data, and whether similar protections should extend to more precise, opt-in location history data.

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Companies like Google have developed internal three-step processes to minimize privacy harm, but these are voluntary and not legally binding.

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The government’s argument that data stored in the cloud is unprotected under the third-party doctrine could have sweeping consequences for email, documents, photos, and other personal data.

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0:00
3 min

Introduction to the Case and the Lawfare Mission

Kate Klonick introduces the episode and the mission of Lawfare: providing nonpartisan, expert legal analysis on fast-moving issues at the intersection of law, technology, and democracy. She urges listeners to support the nonprofit through donations.

2:30
8 min

The Mechanics of the Geofence Warrant in Chattree

Google was really acting as an agent of the government when it was executing a search warrant. Like it is true that Google pushed the button and not the government but you know Google wasn't acting on its own. Google had a search warrant from the government. It was compelled by the government and so Google's actions really are attributable to the government for Fourth Amendment purposes.

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10:00
10 min

The Scale and Process of Geofence Warrants at Google

Richard Salgado discusses how Google received its first geofence warrant in 2016 and developed a three-step process to minimize privacy harm. He explains that these warrants are reverse searches—starting with data to find users—unlike traditional warrants that start with a person.

20:00
10 min

Carpenter and the Evolution of Fourth Amendment Doctrine

Michael Dreeben contextualizes the case within the legacy of *Carpenter v. United States*, where the Court recognized that cell site location data is protected by the Fourth Amendment. He explores whether location history—more precise and opt-in—deserves even stronger protection.

30:00
15 min

Is This a 'Search' Under the Fourth Amendment?

In ordinary English, a lot of us would think that that's a type of search. It's a very minimal search in some sense. You know, the government is only looking for a very discreet piece of information. It's not laying eyes on anything. Software is doing the work. But it still feels like a search in ordinary English.

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High-Impact Quotes
In ordinary English, a lot of us would think that that's a type of search. It's a very minimal search in some sense. You know, the government is only looking for a very discreet piece of information. It's not laying eyes on anything. Software is doing the work. But it still feels like a search in ordinary English.
Adam Unikowsky32:11
Viral: 88.0
If the court were to reach that conclusion, which I think it's unlikely given the government's concessions during the oral argument, that would have potentially broad implications. From my perspective, if you're using email, sending documents or photos, you shouldn't have to show that the emails or documents themselves are particularly private.
Adam Unikowsky55:05
Viral: 86.0
Google was really acting as an agent of the government when it was executing a search warrant. Like it is true that Google pushed the button and not the government but you know Google wasn't acting on its own. Google had a search warrant from the government. It was compelled by the government and so Google's actions really are attributable to the government for Fourth Amendment purposes.
Adam Unikowsky2:21
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Kate Klonick

Guests

Adam UnikowskyMichael DreebenRichard Salgado
Topics Discussed
Fourth Amendment and Digital Privacy95%Geofence Warrants and Law Enforcement Surveillance90%Carpenter v. United States and Precedent88%Algorithmic Searches and the Definition of 'Search'87%Third Party Doctrine in the Cloud85%Privacy vs. Public Safety in Criminal Investigations83%Tech Company Compliance and Data Ethics78%Use Restrictions and Post-Search Controls75%
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Chattree v. United States

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Supreme Court

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Location History

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Michael Dreeben

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Adam Unikowsky

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Carpenter v. United States

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Richard Salgado

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Kate Klonick

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