Lawfare Daily: Arne Westad on ‘The Coming Storm’
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In this episode of Lawfare Daily, senior editor Michael Feinberg interviews Professor Arne Westad of Yale University about his book 'The Coming Storm,' which draws stark parallels between the geopolitical tensions leading up to World War I and today's global landscape, particularly focusing on the rise of China and U.S.-China relations. Westad argues that both eras share key dynamics: the rise of a new great power (Germany in 1914, China today), the retreat of the dominant power (Britain then, the U.S. now), and the failure to create stable frameworks for coexistence. He warns that personalized, impulsive leadership—exemplified by figures like Wilhelm II and Donald Trump—can dangerously escalate crises, especially in the absence of strategic foresight. The conversation turns to specific flashpoints like Taiwan, Iran, and the Korean Peninsula, emphasizing that while war is not inevitable, the current trajectory risks a catastrophic conflagration. Westad advocates for pragmatic diplomacy, temporary compromises, and a focus on 'playing for time' to avoid great power war, drawing lessons from the 19th-century Concert of Europe and the failure of long-term planning in both nations. He cautions against misreading historical analogies, such as the 'Thucydides Trap,' and stresses that the real danger lies in the lack of lived experience with great power war among today’s leaders and populations.
Great power war is uniquely destructive—its consequences dwarf all other conflicts combined.
The key to avoiding catastrophe is not resolving intractable issues immediately, but reducing tensions and buying time.
Both the U.S. and China suffer from short-termism, but in different ways: U.S. due to elections, China due to elite instability and lack of long-term continuity.
Leadership personality matters—impulsiveness and inability to de-escalate can turn regional crises into global wars.
A clear U.S. policy on Taiwan (e.g., no support for independence) could reduce tensions without sacrificing credibility.
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The Historical Parallels: 1914 and 2026
“The important thing, I think, today is to try to get some more stability into the international system in general.”
China’s Rise and the West’s Misjudgment
“As long as the Communist Party stays in power in China, it will put its own interests first and it will put the main interest that any political party of that kind has, namely staying in power, above everything else.”
The Chinese Narrative: Containment and Self-Perception
“When you get to this situation that ordinary Chinese, ordinary Germans back then believe that someone is out to prevent them from doing so, that you're in real trouble.”
Leadership, Personality, and the Risk of Escalation
“I really worry about that aspect of personalized predominance or rule. I think that was one of the things that really did go wrong in December of 1914...”
The Iran War and the Risk of Spillover
Feinberg raises concerns about the U.S. war against Iran and its potential to trigger a broader regional or even global conflict. Westad agrees, noting that unlike past Middle East conflicts, this one has a high risk of spillover due to the involvement of major powers like Russia and China. He stresses that the 'Middle East stays in the Middle East' principle no longer holds.
“Great power war is different from other kinds of wars. As many soldiers were killed in the first two weeks of the Battle of the Somme... as in all great power wars combined between 1815 and 1914.”
“Why did war come? War came because everyone thought that war could solve their problems. And it turned out to be exactly the wrong conclusion.”
“The only thing we know for sure is that great power war would do away with all of those [goals]. So playing for time... is the best we can hope for.”
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