249. Low Back Pain Roundtable w/ Q Willey, Katie Dabrowski, and Chris Hughen
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In episode 249 of The E3 Rehab Podcast, host Chris Hewan leads a candid roundtable discussion with clinicians Q Willey, Katie Dabrowski, and himself, exploring their personal experiences with low back pain. The conversation centers on how their own injuries—ranging from disc herniations in college to acute flares during high-performance training—have shaped their clinical perspectives. They emphasize that pain is a human experience, not a sign of failure, and challenge the myth that clinicians are immune to injury. Key themes include the importance of social support, the dangers of over-pathologizing pain, and the value of maintaining physical activity during flare-ups. The panel advocates for a movement-optimist approach, stressing that exercise is not a cure but a vital tool for maintaining mental resilience, systemic health, and long-term function. They also discuss the emotional toll of pain, the need to normalize discomfort, and the power of shared vulnerability in building trust with clients. The episode concludes with a call to embrace uncertainty, avoid rigid treatment protocols, and let patients lead their own recovery journey. Key takeaways include: 1) Low back pain is a complex, often non-specific experience that doesn’t require a single 'fix'; 2) Maintaining movement and training—even during flare-ups—supports mental health and systemic function; 3) Clinicians’ personal pain experiences are not weaknesses but sources of empathy and insight; 4) Normalizing pain and acknowledging emotions like fear and frustration is therapeutic; 5) The most effective rehab starts where the patient is, not where the clinician wants them to be; 6) Avoiding the 'fixation trap'—trying to solve pain through rigid corrective exercises—leads to better outcomes; 7) Social support and emotional release are critical components of recovery; 8) The goal isn’t to eliminate pain but to live well despite it.
Low back pain is often non-specific and not caused by a single structural issue—focus on function, not diagnosis.
Maintaining physical activity during flare-ups preserves mental health, systemic fitness, and self-efficacy.
Clinicians’ personal pain experiences are not failures—they deepen empathy and improve patient care.
Normalizing pain and emotions like fear helps patients avoid spiraling and promotes resilience.
Rehab should start where the patient is, not where the clinician thinks they should be.
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Introduction and Personal Pain Histories
“I had a pretty gnarly disc herniation in college... it was just this constant cycle of all of the things put together to make an injury way worse than it maybe should have been.”
The Myth of the 'Perfect' Clinician
“It's a human experience. We also navigate these things. That doesn't mean we're bad clinicians when we have pain. That doesn't mean we don't know how to train.”
The Role of Lifestyle and Context in Pain
“The perfect storm of so much stress and like overtraining, under eating, drinking alcohol in college, relating to a really, really bad injury.”
Moving Beyond Patho-Anatomical Thinking
“We don't even have a good way of measuring nociception at all. We don't have a good measure of pain at all. It's so convoluted, it's so complex.”
The Power of Movement and Normalization
The panel champions staying active during pain flares, normalizing discomfort, and using movement to build confidence and prevent deconditioning.
“It's a human experience. We also navigate these things. That doesn't mean we're bad clinicians when we have pain. That doesn't mean we don't know how to train.”
“We don't even have a good way of measuring nociception at all. We don't have a good measure of pain at all. It's so convoluted, it's so complex.”
“It's okay to freak out. Injuries are scary and they suck, especially when your identity is very wrapped in your training and your physical abilities.”
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Q Willey
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Katie Dabrowski
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Chris Hewan
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E3 Rehab Podcast
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E3 Rehab Premium
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Vivo Barefoot
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Confusingly Jacked
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Olympic Peninsula
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Gold's Gym
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Mark Sertica
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