When in Rome?

The Constant: A History of Getting Things Wrong1h 8mApril 21, 2026

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This episode of *The Constant: A History of Getting Things Wrong* explores the controversial theory that ancient Romans reached the Americas centuries before Columbus, using the discovery of Roman-style amphorae in Rio de Janeiro’s Guanabara Bay as a centerpiece. The story centers on Robert F. Marks, a flamboyant and self-proclaimed 'father of underwater archaeology,' who claimed to have uncovered evidence of Roman contact with South America. However, the episode meticulously dissects Marks’ credibility, revealing a pattern of exaggeration, self-aggrandizement, and questionable ethics. While Marks insisted the amphorae were proof of a lost Roman voyage, the truth turns out to be far more mundane: they were modern replicas created by Italian-Brazilian diver Americo Santorelli, who intentionally sank them in the bay to give them an aged appearance. The episode also examines broader myths of white Europeans being mistaken for gods by Indigenous peoples, showing how these stories often stem from misinterpretation, cultural bias, and European wishful thinking. From Viking settlements in Newfoundland to Polynesian contact with South America via the sweet potato, the episode weighs the evidence for pre-Columbian transoceanic contact, ultimately concluding that while some contact is plausible, most theories—especially those tied to white supremacy or hyperdiffusionism—are deeply flawed. The narrative underscores the importance of skepticism, source criticism, and the seductive danger of believing in grand, romanticized historical narratives. Key takeaways include: 1) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence—especially when they involve ancient civilizations crossing oceans; 2) The Roman amphorae in Brazil were a hoax, not a discovery; 3) The idea that Indigenous peoples mistook Europeans for gods is largely a myth rooted in European misinterpretation and colonial bias; 4) While some pre-Columbian contact (like the Vikings) is well-supported, most others remain speculative or debunked; 5) The most dangerous historical myths are those that serve ideological agendas, especially racist ones; 6) Even well-intentioned archaeologists can be misled by their own biases and the allure of fame; 7) The story of the amphorae is a cautionary tale about how easily truth can be distorted by narrative desire; 8) The real lesson is not about who reached America first, but how we interpret the past—and why we must do so with humility and rigor.

Key Takeaways
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence—especially when they involve ancient civilizations crossing oceans.

2

The Roman amphorae in Brazil were modern replicas intentionally sunk by a wealthy diver to look ancient.

3

The idea that Indigenous peoples mistook Europeans for gods is largely a myth rooted in European misinterpretation and colonial bias.

4

While some pre-Columbian contact (like the Vikings) is well-supported, most others remain speculative or debunked.

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The most dangerous historical myths are those that serve ideological agendas, especially racist ones.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Myth of the Roman Discoverers

The episode opens with a fictionalized scene of a lobsterman in 1970s Rio de Janeiro discovering ancient Roman amphorae, setting up the central mystery: did Romans reach the Americas before Columbus? The narrative introduces the myth and its most passionate advocate, Robert F. Marks.

10:00
10 min

The Life and Legends of Robert F. Marks

Mark Kreisler dissects the biography of Robert F. Marks, a self-proclaimed pioneer of underwater archaeology. His early life is filled with improbable tales of diving at age 10 and serving in the Marines, raising questions about his credibility. The episode examines his controversial career, including his work on shipwrecks like the Nuestra Señora de las Maravillas and the USS Monitor.

20:00
10 min

The Roman Amphorae and the Brazilian Cover-Up

The tail pinned squarely to the donkey. Lots of artifacts make it from one part of the world to another because of ballast. But the Roman amphorae in the Bay of Guanabara couldn't have been ballast. They were too big and too complete. They had to have gotten to Brazil some other way.

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30:00
10 min

The Truth Behind the Amphorae

He sailed out into Guanabara Bay with his 16 fresh jars, found an isolated spot near Ilha do Governador, and dropped them in the sea to let them pick up that authentic, ancient look.

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40:00
10 min

The Myth of White Gods in the Americas

It could be that being so polite and overkind was actually a sort of social sarcasm, a way of saying that Montezuma was so powerful and Cortes so beneath him that he had to patronize him in the grandest terms.

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High-Impact Quotes
The real lesson is not about who reached America first, but how we interpret the past—and why we must do so with humility and rigor.
Mark Kreisler109:58
Viral: 88.0
The most dangerous historical myths are those that serve ideological agendas, especially racist ones.
Mark Kreisler108:50
Viral: 86.0
The tail pinned squarely to the donkey. Lots of artifacts make it from one part of the world to another because of ballast. But the Roman amphorae in the Bay of Guanabara couldn't have been ballast. They were too big and too complete. They had to have gotten to Brazil some other way.
Mark Kreisler57:20
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Mark Kreisler
Topics Discussed
Pre-Columbian Transoceanic Contact95%Roman Discovery of the Americas90%Myth of White Gods in Indigenous Cultures88%Viking Settlement in North America85%Hyperdiffusionism and Racism in Archaeology82%Thor Heyerdahl and the Kon-Tiki Expedition78%Sweet Potato and Polynesian Contact75%The Three Kichis and Japanese Shipwrecks70%
People & Brands

Robert F. Marks

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120xMixed

Brazil

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25xNegative

Vikings

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18xPositive

Americo Santorelli

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15xNeutral

United States

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12xNeutral

Sweet Potato

other

12xNeutral

Thor Heyerdahl

person

10xNegative

Roberto Tejera

person

10xNeutral

Elizabeth Mills

person

8xNeutral

L'Anse aux Meadows

place

7xPositive

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