Carol Leonnig and Will Sommer: The Loons and the Loyalists Running the DOJ
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In this episode of The Bulwark Podcast, hosts Tim Miller and Charissa welcome investigative journalists Carol Leonnig and Will Sommer to discuss the deepening crisis within the U.S. Justice Department and the FBI under the Trump administration. Leonnig dissects the Secret Service's failure at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, emphasizing that while the suspect was stopped just two feet inside the perimeter, the breach of protocol—especially the failure of magnetometer security—was a catastrophic lapse. She highlights the incompetence of the new agent in charge, calling it a 'colossal failure' of basic security principles. Leonnig also details how the DOJ is being purged of career prosecutors who don’t align with Trump’s political agenda, citing the firing of Maria Long for refusing to pursue baseless charges against John Brennan. She underscores the intense internal resentment toward acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and former Attorney General Pam Bondi, with agents reportedly throwing Bondi’s portrait in the trash. The episode then shifts to Will Sommer’s reporting on the growing chaos within the right-wing media ecosystem, focusing on the escalating personal feuds among figures like Candace Owens, Laura Loomer, and Nick Fuentes. Sommer also reveals explosive new reporting on the controversial figure Clavicular, who allegedly overdosed, is now entangled with Israeli organized crime through a nightclub venture, and is reportedly pursuing fatherhood—a development that raises serious concerns about his judgment and stability. The hosts reflect on how these internal fractures, once hidden behind a unified MAGA front, are now becoming public and potentially damaging to the movement’s cohesion.
The Secret Service’s failure at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner was a systemic breakdown, not just a single misstep—especially the failure of magnetometer security and lack of stairwell surveillance.
The DOJ is being systematically purged of career prosecutors who resist politically motivated investigations, with figures like Maria Long fired for refusing to pursue unsubstantiated cases.
Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and former AG Pam Bondi are deeply unpopular within the DOJ, with agents viewing them as traitors to professional standards.
Kash Patel is viewed with near-universal disdain by FBI agents, who see him as a destabilizing force whose orders have led to baseless raids and wasted resources.
The right-wing media ecosystem is fracturing, with high-profile feuds between figures like Candace Owens and Laura Loomer, signaling a loss of unified messaging.
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The Secret Service Failure at the Correspondents' Dinner
“But when you can't remember the lesson from 60 years before, that's a problem.”
The DOJ Purge: Firing Prosecutors Who Won't Play Ball
“We don't see any evidence of that. We don't have a case. And then off with your heads, she's removed from being in charge of that case.”
The Resentment Toward Bondi and Blanche in the DOJ
Leonnig explains the deep disdain within the DOJ for both Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, with agents viewing them as outsiders who don’t understand the institution. The symbolic act of throwing Bondi’s portrait in the trash reflects the level of institutional anger.
Kash Patel’s Toxic Leadership at the FBI
“The place is a disaster because of Kash Patel. That was their language. That's how vitriolic the feeling is.”
The Fracturing of the Right-Wing Media Ecosystem
“You know, I think there's a lot of turmoil there. And I think that's a noteworthy change.”
“The place is a disaster because of Kash Patel. That was their language. That's how vitriolic the feeling is.”
“He literally pulled the IVs out and they said, no, don't leave the hospital. And he said, I got to go to Bakara, you know, and satisfy Hai here.”
“But when you can't remember the lesson from 60 years before, that's a problem.”
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Carol Leonnig
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Will Sommer
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Clavicular
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Tim Miller
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Todd Blanche
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Pam Bondi
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Haiwaknin
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Candace Owens
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Laura Loomer
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