Ben McKenzie and Sarah Matthews: We Are Drowning in Scam Artists

The Bulwark Podcast1h 18mApril 23, 2026

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In this episode of The Bulwark Podcast, hosts Tim Miller and Charissa engage in a sharp, urgent critique of the current political and economic landscape, focusing on the dangers of unchecked power and systemic fraud. Sarah Matthews, former White House Deputy Press Secretary under Trump and now a prominent critic, reflects on her decision to leave the Trump orbit, expressing both personal satisfaction and deep concern about the administration’s reckless foreign policy—particularly its escalating tensions with Iran and the absurdity of Trump’s claims about controlling the Strait of Hormuz. She condemns the administration’s erosion of press freedom, exemplified by the FBI investigating reporters critical of Trump’s allies, and mocks the hypocrisy of celebrating the First Amendment while undermining it. Ben McKenzie, actor and author of 'Easy Money,' delivers a damning exposé of the cryptocurrency industry, arguing that it is not a revolutionary financial tool but a vast, unregulated ecosystem of scams, crime, and corruption. Drawing from his documentary 'Everyone is Lying to You for Money,' McKenzie reveals how crypto’s so-called 'decentralization' is a myth, its technology is inefficient, and its real-world impact is dominated by money laundering, fraud, and criminal enterprises. He highlights how Trump has weaponized crypto for personal enrichment, creating a $4 billion empire through his own branded coins, while regulators are gutted and the industry remains unaccountable. The episode culminates in a call for urgent reform: regulating speculative cryptos as securities, investigating stablecoins as counterfeit currency, and creating a public digital dollar to reclaim monetary sovereignty from private, predatory corporations.

Key Takeaways
1

The U.S. government is now a major player in the crypto scam ecosystem, with Trump personally profiting $4 billion through his branded coins.

2

Crypto is not a revolutionary financial tool but a global hub for crime, with $154 billion in criminal activity facilitated via cryptocurrency in one year.

3

Stablecoins like Tether are effectively 'black market dollars' used to evade sanctions and launder money, controlled by the children of powerful political figures.

4

Regulating crypto as securities—requiring disclosure and transparency—is the most effective and immediate reform needed.

5

The U.S. should develop a public digital dollar to counter private corporate currencies and reclaim monetary sovereignty.

Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Scam Economy: From Iran to Crypto

The episode opens with a sponsor ad for Shopify, followed by a discussion on the growing crisis of trust in government and media. Sarah Matthews reflects on her departure from the Trump administration and the current administration's reckless foreign policy, particularly the escalating war with Iran and Trump's absurd claims about controlling the Strait of Hormuz.

10:00
10 min

The Iran War of Choice and the Collapse of Credibility

It's like he doesn't even know at this point. He just wants to spin any news item is positive, right?

Highlight
20:00
10 min

The Media's Complicity and the Correspondents' Dinner

I can't even imagine attending this year. I have and they were long and annoying even before Trump.

Highlight
30:00
10 min

The Trump Airline and the Death of Conservatism

The hosts mock the idea of the government taking over Spirit Airlines, calling it the ultimate betrayal of conservative principles. They contrast this with the absurdity of a socialist policy being championed by self-proclaimed conservatives, highlighting the complete ideological collapse of the modern GOP.

40:00
10 min

The Humanitarian Farce: Saving Iranian Women

I'm so happy that I don't have to go out there and spew a bunch of bullshit like that and kiss his ass.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
If something is representing itself as a U.S. dollar, but it is not a U.S. dollar... it is a counterfeit dollar.
Ben McKenzie113:53
Viral: 95.0
If we accept that, then we have to accept the bad as well. And to give you a sense, if we're being intellectually honest... $154 billion of criminal activity was facilitated via cryptocurrency.
Ben McKenzie35:42
Viral: 92.0
Trump has pardoned CZ, who was the head of the largest crypto exchange, Binance, that still exists. Binance is an admitted money launderer.
Ben McKenzie56:04
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Hosts

Tim MillerCharissa

Guests

Sarah MatthewsBen McKenzie
Topics Discussed
Crypto Scams and Fraud95%Trump's Personal Enrichment90%Erosion of Press Freedom88%Iran-U.S. Tensions85%Regulation of Financial Markets80%Corporate Influence in Politics75%Digital Currencies70%Media Complicity65%
People & Brands

Donald Trump

person

32xNegative

Iran

place

18xNegative

Ben McKenzie

person

15xPositive

Sarah Matthews

person

12xPositive

Tether

organization

8xNegative

Kash Patel

person

7xNegative

Jared Kushner

person

6xNegative

FTX

organization

6xNegative

El Salvador

place

6xNegative

Pete Hegseth

person

5xNegative

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