Uniting Amazon Workers
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In this episode of The Brian Lehrer Show, host Brian Lehrer discusses the historic unionization of Amazon's JFK-8 warehouse on Staten Island—the first successful union effort at Amazon in the U.S.—with Derek Palmer, co-founder of the Amazon Labor Union (ALU). Palmer recounts the pivotal moment during the pandemic when workers, including himself and Chris Smalls, witnessed a supervisor being denied medical leave despite being visibly ill, sparking a walkout that led to retaliation and national attention. This event galvanized the movement, leading to the formation of ALU and ultimately a successful union vote in April 2022. Palmer emphasizes the importance of grassroots organizing, culture-building through food, music, and community events, and the strategic use of inside-outside organizing at the bus stop across from the warehouse. Despite ongoing challenges—including failed campaigns at other facilities and Amazon’s resistance—Palmer remains optimistic, believing the ALU’s success can inspire a broader labor revolution. He also discusses the union’s decision to stay politically neutral, its focus on workplace issues over partisan politics, and the ongoing contract negotiations now legally mandated by the NLRB. The episode concludes with a call for listeners to share their own organizing experiences.
Organizing begins with studying labor law and securing 30% worker support via authorization cards.
Culture-building—through food, music, and community events—creates trust and engagement essential for union success.
Inside-outside organizing (working within the facility and organizing externally) maximizes reach and impact.
Retaliation from employers is common, but public pressure and media attention can counteract it.
The ALU’s independence from traditional unions allowed for more agile, worker-led action.
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The Rise of Labor Union Support
The episode opens with a discussion of the growing public support for labor unions in the U.S., citing a 2024 Gallup poll showing 77% approval—up from 48% in 2009—highlighting a national moment for organized labor.
The Historic JFK-8 Unionization
“It was a completely independent worker-led union took on one of the most powerful corporations in the world and won.”
The Pandemic Catalyst
“They didn't have the proper safety measures and the proper safety equipment for us while we're working during the pandemic.”
From Walkout to Union: The Organizing Blueprint
“We wanted to make it fun and we wanted to make it interesting. And we know that there's so many different cultures.”
Building Culture and Power
“We actually held bonfires outside across the street at the bus stop. And workers would come on their 30-minute break.”
“Fighting against the system is revolutionary in itself.”
“It was a completely independent worker-led union took on one of the most powerful corporations in the world and won.”
“Once we're successful in creating unions, like I said, you know, it's going to create a lot of attention and a lot of workers from different facilities will decide to unionize.”
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Amazon Labor Union
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Chris Smalls
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National Labor Relations Board
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The Brian Lehrer Show
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Teamsters
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