Jazz Legacies
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In this episode of The Brian Lehrer Show, host Brian Lehrer explores the enduring legacy and current state of jazz through a conversation with saxophonist Gary Bartz and Elizabeth Alexander, CEO of the Mellon Foundation. The discussion is sparked by a viral Oscars joke from Conan O'Brien, who quipped that security was tight because the opera and ballet communities were angry about being left out—especially jazz. This moment underscores a broader concern about the perceived marginalization of jazz, even as it remains a vital American art form. The episode highlights the Mellon Foundation’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship, which supports aging jazz luminaries over 62, including Bartz, Kenny Barron, and Donald Harrison. Bartz shares personal stories of growing up in a jazz-rich Baltimore environment, being inspired at age six by Charlie Parker, and his transformative experience playing with Miles Davis during the electric fusion era. He reflects on how music transcends labels like 'jazz' or 'bebop,' emphasizing that music is simply sound and expression. Elizabeth Alexander adds that jazz has deeply influenced her poetry, teaching her about rhythm, improvisation, and the power of unresolved endings. Together, they argue for the importance of preserving jazz’s legacy—not just as music, but as a living, evolving force of cultural and social expression.
Jazz is an indelible American art form that must be actively preserved and supported, especially through programs like Mellon’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship.
Musicians like Gary Bartz and Max Roach reject the term 'jazz' as reductive—emphasizing that they are simply musicians, not genre-labeled artists.
The power of jazz lies in improvisation and the infinite possibilities of sound, which can inspire other art forms like poetry and writing.
Personal connection to music—like hearing Charlie Parker at age six—can shape a lifetime of artistic purpose and expression.
Jazz’s legacy includes deep social and political resonance, as seen in the work of artists like Charles Mingus and Bartz’s own NTU troupe.
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The Oscars Joke That Sparked a Conversation
“Security is extremely tight tonight. I just got to mention that. Yeah. I'm told there's concerns about attacks from both the opera and ballet communities. They're just mad you left out jazz.”
Introducing the Jazz Legacies Fellowship
Brian Lehrer introduces the Mellon Foundation’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship, a program that funds and honors older jazz artists over 62, emphasizing the need to preserve the living history of jazz through grants and recognition.
Gary Bartz’s Early Life and Musical Awakening
“It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard. And I didn't know whether it was a saxophone. I didn't know whether it was a man or a woman. I didn't know what it was. All I knew is whatever this person was doing, I wanted to do that.”
Beyond Labels: The Philosophy of Music and Identity
“Music is nothing but sounds. Sounds, you know, like I teach my students, sounds don't have names, because they're sounds.”
“It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard. And I didn't know whether it was a saxophone. I didn't know whether it was a man or a woman. I didn't know what it was. All I knew is whatever this person was doing, I wanted to do that.”
“Security is extremely tight tonight. I just got to mention that. Yeah. I'm told there's concerns about attacks from both the opera and ballet communities. They're just mad you left out jazz.”
“There's only two kinds [of musicians], good and bad.”
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Gary Bartz
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Elizabeth Alexander
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Mellon Foundation
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Jazz Legacies Fellowship
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Miles Davis
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Charlie Parker
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Conan O'Brien
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Max Roach
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Kennedy Center
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Duke Ellington
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