Jazz Legacies

The Brian Lehrer Show14mApril 20, 2026

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In this episode of The Brian Lehrer Show, host Brian Lehrer explores the enduring legacy and current state of jazz through a conversation with saxophonist Gary Bartz and Elizabeth Alexander, CEO of the Mellon Foundation. The discussion is sparked by a viral Oscars joke from Conan O'Brien, who quipped that security was tight because the opera and ballet communities were angry about being left out—especially jazz. This moment underscores a broader concern about the perceived marginalization of jazz, even as it remains a vital American art form. The episode highlights the Mellon Foundation’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship, which supports aging jazz luminaries over 62, including Bartz, Kenny Barron, and Donald Harrison. Bartz shares personal stories of growing up in a jazz-rich Baltimore environment, being inspired at age six by Charlie Parker, and his transformative experience playing with Miles Davis during the electric fusion era. He reflects on how music transcends labels like 'jazz' or 'bebop,' emphasizing that music is simply sound and expression. Elizabeth Alexander adds that jazz has deeply influenced her poetry, teaching her about rhythm, improvisation, and the power of unresolved endings. Together, they argue for the importance of preserving jazz’s legacy—not just as music, but as a living, evolving force of cultural and social expression.

Key Takeaways
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Jazz is an indelible American art form that must be actively preserved and supported, especially through programs like Mellon’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship.

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Musicians like Gary Bartz and Max Roach reject the term 'jazz' as reductive—emphasizing that they are simply musicians, not genre-labeled artists.

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The power of jazz lies in improvisation and the infinite possibilities of sound, which can inspire other art forms like poetry and writing.

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Personal connection to music—like hearing Charlie Parker at age six—can shape a lifetime of artistic purpose and expression.

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Jazz’s legacy includes deep social and political resonance, as seen in the work of artists like Charles Mingus and Bartz’s own NTU troupe.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The Oscars Joke That Sparked a Conversation

Security is extremely tight tonight. I just got to mention that. Yeah. I'm told there's concerns about attacks from both the opera and ballet communities. They're just mad you left out jazz.

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2:25
3 min

Introducing the Jazz Legacies Fellowship

Brian Lehrer introduces the Mellon Foundation’s Jazz Legacies Fellowship, a program that funds and honors older jazz artists over 62, emphasizing the need to preserve the living history of jazz through grants and recognition.

5:30
5 min

Gary Bartz’s Early Life and Musical Awakening

It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard. And I didn't know whether it was a saxophone. I didn't know whether it was a man or a woman. I didn't know what it was. All I knew is whatever this person was doing, I wanted to do that.

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10:00
4 min

Beyond Labels: The Philosophy of Music and Identity

Music is nothing but sounds. Sounds, you know, like I teach my students, sounds don't have names, because they're sounds.

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High-Impact Quotes
It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard. And I didn't know whether it was a saxophone. I didn't know whether it was a man or a woman. I didn't know what it was. All I knew is whatever this person was doing, I wanted to do that.
Gary Bartz5:35
Viral: 90.0
Security is extremely tight tonight. I just got to mention that. Yeah. I'm told there's concerns about attacks from both the opera and ballet communities. They're just mad you left out jazz.
Conan O'Brien1:01
Viral: 85.0
There's only two kinds [of musicians], good and bad.
Duke Ellington8:58
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Host

Brian Lehrer

Guests

Gary BartzElizabeth Alexander
Topics Discussed
Jazz Preservation95%Legacy of Jazz Musicians90%Artistic Identity and Labels85%Jazz and Social Justice85%Improvisation and Creativity80%Cross-Genre Influence70%
People & Brands

Gary Bartz

person

18xPositive

Elizabeth Alexander

person

12xPositive

Mellon Foundation

organization

7xPositive

Jazz Legacies Fellowship

other

6xPositive

Miles Davis

person

5xPositive

Charlie Parker

person

3xPositive

Conan O'Brien

person

3xNeutral

Max Roach

person

3xPositive

Kennedy Center

organization

3xPositive

Duke Ellington

person

2xPositive

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