Col Roy "Deacon" Qualls | "Shoot Them Down If They Don't Respond" — The 9/11 ROE Nobody Talks About

The Afterburn Podcast1h 25mApril 25, 2026

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On September 11, 2001, Col. Roy "Deacon" Qualls, a Guard pilot based in New Orleans, received a classified fax from NORAD that changed everything: the Vice President was authorized to order fighter jets to shoot down any civilian aircraft that failed to respond to interception attempts. This was not hypothetical—Qualls and his fellow pilots were prepared to execute the order, with live missiles armed and crews scrambling to protect Air Force One. The episode reveals the raw, unfiltered reality of that day: the fog of war, the moral weight of being ordered to shoot down a passenger jet, and the psychological toll of being on alert for days with no clear rules. Qualls recounts how he and his team flew two combat air patrols over Houston, descending to 500 feet and 500 knots to detect a phantom threat—likely just their own jet noise—highlighting how the nation’s defenses were unprepared and operating on instinct. Later, he reflects on how this moment shaped his leadership journey, including a pivotal year as a maintenance group commander during Hurricane Katrina and the F-15 midair breakup crisis, where he learned that one decisive change—firing a single underperforming NCO—could turn a failing unit around. His story is a powerful testament to resilience, mentorship, and the idea that success often comes not from being the smartest or best-trained, but from refusing to quit and showing up every day.

Key Takeaways
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The Vice President was authorized to order fighter jets to shoot down civilian aircraft that didn’t respond—this was real, not hypothetical, on 9/11.

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On 9/11, Qualls and his team flew combat air patrols over Houston at 500 feet and 500 knots, descending to detect a phantom threat likely caused by their own jet noise.

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One underperforming senior NCO was fired during a crisis, and the entire unit’s performance improved overnight—proving leadership is about people, not just systems.

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The F-15 midair breakup in 2002 forced a 4-month grounding and a full fleet inspection—Qualls led the maintenance group through it, learning that leadership means making tough calls under pressure.

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Never quit—Qualls credits his career to persistence, not perfection, and encourages young pilots to keep trying even after setbacks or medical waivers.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The Day the Rules Changed

The Vice President is authorized to intercept targets of interest and shoot them down if they don't respond. And, you know, like period end quote.

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2:15
3 min

Scrambling into Chaos

Qualls describes the frantic scramble to get airborne after 9/11, the lack of clear procedures, and the surreal moment of being the closest fighter to Barksdale Air Force Base.

5:00
4 min

The Houston Cap: 500 Feet and 500 Knots

Qualls details a combat air patrol over Houston where they descended to 500 feet and 500 knots to detect a radar blip—likely their own jet noise—highlighting the chaos and fear of the moment.

9:00
6 min

The OV-10 Fire and the Brothel Landing

I almost liberated something in my flight suit after that, but we went, I go sliding across the desert south of the infield, south of McCarran, away from the terminal.

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14:30
6 min

From Fighter Pilot to Maintenance Leader

Qualls reflects on his unexpected transition from flying to leading a maintenance group during Hurricane Katrina and the F-15 midair breakup crisis.

High-Impact Quotes
The Vice President is authorized to intercept targets of interest and shoot them down if they don't respond. And, you know, like period end quote.
Col. Roy "Deacon" Qualls53:39
Viral: 92.0
Do not come home. Absolutely do not come home. You stay there. If you want to quit, you quit on graduation day.
Col. Roy "Deacon" Qualls82:36
Viral: 88.0
I almost liberated something in my flight suit after that, but we went, I go sliding across the desert south of the infield, south of McCarran, away from the terminal.
Col. Roy "Deacon" Qualls22:34
Viral: 85.0
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Host

Ray

Guest

Col. Roy "Deacon" Qualls
Topics Discussed
9-11 rules of engagement95%fighter pilot career90%military leadership88%aviation safety85%mentorship82%military leave80%F-15 maintenance crisis78%Hurricane Katrina response75%
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