Tweedy Browne's John Spears and Jay Hill on value investing and insider buying | S08 E17
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In this episode of The Acquirers Podcast, Tobias Carlisle and Jake Taylor welcome John Spears and Jay Hill from Tweedy Brown to discuss their deep value investment philosophy, centered on identifying companies trading at significant discounts to private market value. The firm, founded in 1920, has maintained a consistent focus on traditional value investing, using two key criteria: stocks must be cheap relative to comparable M&A deals and also cheap on an absolute basis, avoiding inflated multiples driven by low interest rates. A core differentiator is their emphasis on insider buying—specifically, material, free-will purchases by C-suite executives exceeding $100,000—as a powerful validation signal. The guests also introduce their ETFs, Copy and iCopy, which combine insider buying with quantitative cheapness, with a strong tilt toward international small and mid-cap stocks. Despite a prolonged period of underperformance for value investing, especially against the Magnificent Seven, the team remains confident in their long-term approach, citing the UK market as particularly undervalued. The episode concludes with a philosophical reflection on resilience, drawing parallels between the honey badger’s physical toughness and psychological flexibility—thick skin to filter noise, loose skin to remain adaptable under pressure.
Use M&A deal multiples as a benchmark for private market value, not just public market prices.
Combine quantitative cheapness with material, free-will insider buying for superior outperformance.
Focus on international small and mid-cap stocks for the best value opportunities today.
A company’s owner earnings yield (8%+ target) is a key metric for long-term cash return potential.
The UK market offers exceptional value due to 10 years of active fund outflows creating bargain opportunities.
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Introduction and Sponsor Segments
The episode opens with promotional content for Paramount Plus, BMW Motorrad scooters, and a brief mention of the hosts' 'Jake's Veggies' segment. The official podcast intro follows with Tobias and Jake welcoming Tweedy Brown's John Spears and Jay Hill.
Tweedy Brown's History and Investment Philosophy
“There's two prices to every stock. There's the price that we can all see every day quoted in the stock market, the stock price. And then there's the intrinsic value of the business...”
Valuation Framework: M&A Comps and Owner Earnings Yield
“What would we get if we own the whole company from the earnings, from the free cash flow? The yield to us.”
Insider Buying as a Signal: Materiality and Free Will
“When you combine quantitative cheapness with material free will insider buying, how you define material and how you define free will... it outperformed both just quantitatively cheap stocks on their own or just looking at all insider buying transactions on their own.”
ETFs: Copy and iCopy – Strategy and Performance
John Spears explains the development of the Copy and iCopy ETFs, which systematically combine insider buying with low valuations. The portfolios are heavily weighted toward international small and mid-cap stocks, with iCopy excluding U.S. equities. The strategy has shown strong performance, especially in 2025.
“When you combine quantitative cheapness with material free will insider buying, how you define material and how you define free will... it outperformed both just quantitatively cheap stocks on their own or just looking at all insider buying transactions on their own.”
“Where are you more likely to find a bargain? In a market like the UK, where there have been 10 straight years of active outflows, or in the United States, where there seems like there's a constant inflow in the passive indices.”
“The private market value of this business is £2.30, and the stock price today is £1.40. There's an enormous gap...”
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Jay Hill
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John Spears
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Copy ETF
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Honey Badger
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Johnson Service Group
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Magnificent Seven
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Stoicism
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