Mark Cooper on global small cap value, AI and managing small cap long/short at MAC Alpha | S08 E13

The Acquirers Podcast58mApril 9, 2026

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In this episode of The Acquirers Podcast, host Tobias Carlisle and co-host Jake Taylor welcome Mark Cooper, founder and portfolio manager at MAC Alpha Capital Management, to discuss his global small cap value investing strategy. Cooper emphasizes the compelling opportunity in international small cap value stocks, which he argues are historically cheap and poised for significant mean reversion. He contrasts this with the overvalued, high-growth U.S. small caps—particularly those in the MAG7 tech cluster—whose valuations he views as unsustainable, drawing parallels to the dot-com bubble. Cooper’s long-short strategy focuses on owning high-quality, competitive advantage-driven businesses globally while shorting overvalued, unprofitable companies with no sustainable edge. He highlights the importance of long-term research, facility visits, and avoiding overreliance on AI for decision-making. The conversation also explores the risks of AI-driven speculation, supply chain constraints for critical commodities, and the distortion of market metrics like P/E ratios. Cooper concludes that the current environment offers exceptional asymmetric upside for disciplined value investors. Key takeaways include: 1) International small cap value stocks are historically cheap and could outperform the S&P 500 by 25% annually over 10 years if valuations revert; 2) The U.S. market’s concentration in a few high-growth tech stocks increases systemic risk; 3) Investors should prioritize business economics over simplistic metrics like P/E ratios; 4) Active, long-term research and on-the-ground due diligence provide a competitive edge; 5) The current market environment favors value investors who can withstand short-term underperformance; 6) The rise of passive investing and momentum trading has distorted market dynamics; 7) Commodity constraints and construction delays could limit AI infrastructure growth; 8) Long-term ownership of high-quality businesses with durable competitive advantages is more efficient than constant turnover.

Key Takeaways
1

International small cap value stocks are historically cheap and could outperform the S&P 500 by 25% annually over 10 years if valuations revert.

2

The U.S. market’s concentration in a few high-growth tech stocks increases systemic risk and creates a dangerous bubble.

3

Investors should prioritize business economics over simplistic metrics like P/E ratios.

4

Active, long-term research and on-the-ground due diligence provide a competitive edge.

5

The current market environment favors value investors who can withstand short-term underperformance.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction and Sponsor Segment

The episode begins with a promotional segment for Commerzbank and Aldi, followed by the official introduction of the podcast and guest Mark Cooper of MAC Alpha Capital Management.

2:00
3 min

Strategy and Philosophy at MAC Alpha

We're focused on global small caps because that's where we see the best opportunity on the long side... And on the short side, we think the opportunity is better today than it was the peak of the dot-com bubble by a serious margin.

Highlight
5:00
5 min

Global Small Cap Universe and Portfolio Construction

Cooper details the firm’s global universe of ~20,000 companies, with a focus on developed markets. He explains the portfolio’s diversification, country weights (UK, Japan, US), and sector preferences (industrials, consumer staples), while avoiding financials, utilities, and real estate.

10:00
5 min

The Case for Quality and Time as an Ally

We want time to be on our side... if we own a good business that's growing value at 6%, 7%, 8%, 10%, 15% a year, at least it's getting more valuable through time.

Highlight
15:00
5 min

Activism and Capital Allocation Engagement

Cooper explains MAC Alpha’s non-public, relationship-based approach to engaging with management on capital allocation, emphasizing long-term education over public activism.

High-Impact Quotes
International stocks need to triple to get back to the 55-year average versus the S&P. So they are much cheaper than they've ever been historically.
Mark Cooper25:25
Viral: 90.0
We're skeptical... the amount of commodities you need... are astronomical. And there's a limitation to how fast this can be produced.
Mark Cooper47:30
Viral: 88.0
The P/E ratio is the Mercator projection in markets. Helps you navigate but also can distort what matters.
Jake Taylor35:44
Viral: 87.0
Speakers

Hosts

Tobias CarlisleJake Taylor

Guest

Mark Cooper
Topics Discussed
Global Small Cap Value Investing95%Business Economics vs. Valuation Multiples92%U.S. Market Bubble and AI Speculation90%Historical Market Cycles and Behavioral Finance88%Long-Short Hedge Fund Strategy85%Due Diligence and On-the-Ground Research82%Commodity Constraints and Infrastructure80%Capital Allocation and Corporate Governance75%
People & Brands

Mark Cooper

person

15xPositive

MAC Alpha Capital Management

organization

12xPositive

S&P 500

other

10xNegative

P/E Ratio

other

8xNeutral

Senior PLC

organization

8xPositive

MAG7

organization

6xNegative

Columbia University

organization

5xPositive

Russell 2000

other

4xNegative

First Eagle

organization

4xPositive

OpenAI

organization

4xNegative

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