Mark Cooper on global small cap value, AI and managing small cap long/short at MAC Alpha | S08 E13
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In this episode of The Acquirers Podcast, host Tobias Carlisle and co-host Jake Taylor welcome Mark Cooper, founder and portfolio manager at MAC Alpha Capital Management, to discuss his global small cap value investing strategy. Cooper emphasizes the compelling opportunity in international small cap value stocks, which he argues are historically cheap and poised for significant mean reversion. He contrasts this with the overvalued, high-growth U.S. small caps—particularly those in the MAG7 tech cluster—whose valuations he views as unsustainable, drawing parallels to the dot-com bubble. Cooper’s long-short strategy focuses on owning high-quality, competitive advantage-driven businesses globally while shorting overvalued, unprofitable companies with no sustainable edge. He highlights the importance of long-term research, facility visits, and avoiding overreliance on AI for decision-making. The conversation also explores the risks of AI-driven speculation, supply chain constraints for critical commodities, and the distortion of market metrics like P/E ratios. Cooper concludes that the current environment offers exceptional asymmetric upside for disciplined value investors. Key takeaways include: 1) International small cap value stocks are historically cheap and could outperform the S&P 500 by 25% annually over 10 years if valuations revert; 2) The U.S. market’s concentration in a few high-growth tech stocks increases systemic risk; 3) Investors should prioritize business economics over simplistic metrics like P/E ratios; 4) Active, long-term research and on-the-ground due diligence provide a competitive edge; 5) The current market environment favors value investors who can withstand short-term underperformance; 6) The rise of passive investing and momentum trading has distorted market dynamics; 7) Commodity constraints and construction delays could limit AI infrastructure growth; 8) Long-term ownership of high-quality businesses with durable competitive advantages is more efficient than constant turnover.
International small cap value stocks are historically cheap and could outperform the S&P 500 by 25% annually over 10 years if valuations revert.
The U.S. market’s concentration in a few high-growth tech stocks increases systemic risk and creates a dangerous bubble.
Investors should prioritize business economics over simplistic metrics like P/E ratios.
Active, long-term research and on-the-ground due diligence provide a competitive edge.
The current market environment favors value investors who can withstand short-term underperformance.
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Introduction and Sponsor Segment
The episode begins with a promotional segment for Commerzbank and Aldi, followed by the official introduction of the podcast and guest Mark Cooper of MAC Alpha Capital Management.
Strategy and Philosophy at MAC Alpha
“We're focused on global small caps because that's where we see the best opportunity on the long side... And on the short side, we think the opportunity is better today than it was the peak of the dot-com bubble by a serious margin.”
Global Small Cap Universe and Portfolio Construction
Cooper details the firm’s global universe of ~20,000 companies, with a focus on developed markets. He explains the portfolio’s diversification, country weights (UK, Japan, US), and sector preferences (industrials, consumer staples), while avoiding financials, utilities, and real estate.
The Case for Quality and Time as an Ally
“We want time to be on our side... if we own a good business that's growing value at 6%, 7%, 8%, 10%, 15% a year, at least it's getting more valuable through time.”
Activism and Capital Allocation Engagement
Cooper explains MAC Alpha’s non-public, relationship-based approach to engaging with management on capital allocation, emphasizing long-term education over public activism.
“International stocks need to triple to get back to the 55-year average versus the S&P. So they are much cheaper than they've ever been historically.”
“We're skeptical... the amount of commodities you need... are astronomical. And there's a limitation to how fast this can be produced.”
“The P/E ratio is the Mercator projection in markets. Helps you navigate but also can distort what matters.”
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MAC Alpha Capital Management
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