Is AI Pushing Us Closer to Nuclear Disaster?
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In this episode of 'More to the Story,' host Al Letson speaks with Daniel Holtz, chair of the Science and Security Board at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and founder of the Existential Risk Laboratory at the University of Chicago, about the Doomsday Clock now standing at 85 seconds to midnight—the closest it has ever been in its 75-year history. Holtz explains the clock’s origins as a symbolic warning created in 1945 by scientists involved in the Manhattan Project, including Einstein and Oppenheimer, to highlight humanity’s self-made existential threats like nuclear war, climate change, and emerging AI risks. He emphasizes that while the world has seen progress—such as nuclear arms reductions during the Cold War—recent developments, including the U.S. and Israel’s attacks on Iran, renewed nuclear modernization, and the integration of AI into military systems, have dramatically increased global risk. Holtz warns that AI’s potential to disrupt nuclear command and control, combined with disinformation and geopolitical instability, makes the current moment more perilous than ever. Yet he stresses that the clock is not just a warning—it is a symbol of hope, demonstrating that humanity has turned back the hands before and can do so again through international cooperation, policy change, and public engagement.
The Doomsday Clock is now at 85 seconds to midnight—the closest it has ever been—due to escalating nuclear risks, climate inaction, and unregulated AI integration.
Nuclear war remains a real and immediate threat, with thousands of weapons on hair-trigger alert and launch decisions possible in as little as 7–9 minutes.
AI is increasingly embedded in military systems, including autonomous drones and potential nuclear command controls, raising fears of unintended escalation.
The Doomsday Clock is a symbol of hope: humanity has reversed the clock before and can do so again through global cooperation, disarmament, and investment in renewables.
Individuals can contribute by staying informed, supporting credible sources, engaging in democratic processes, and advocating for policies that reduce existential risks.
The Doomsday Clock at 85 Seconds to Midnight
“The Doomsday Clock is now at 85 seconds before midnight—the closest it's been to midnight in its more than 75-year history, raising the alarm about a whole host of existential threats.”
Origins and Purpose of the Doomsday Clock
Holtz traces the clock’s origins to 1945, when scientists from the Manhattan Project created the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists to warn the public about nuclear dangers. The clock was designed as a visceral, artistic symbol to convey urgency and the possibility of reversing catastrophe.
The Evolution of Nuclear Threats and Modernization
Holtz discusses how nuclear risks have evolved from Cold War tensions to today’s arms race between the U.S., Russia, and China. He criticizes the $2 trillion modernization of nuclear arsenals, arguing it makes no sense and increases global danger without enhancing safety.
AI and the New Frontier of Existential Risk
“If the AI decides it wants to end the world, it'll be in a position to do so.”
Why the Clock is a Symbol of Hope
“The whole point of this clock is to, yes, to alarm people, to inform people, but also to demonstrate we can turn back the hands of the clock.”
“If the AI decides it wants to end the world, it'll be in a position to do so.”
“The Doomsday Clock is now at 85 seconds before midnight—the closest it's been to midnight in its more than 75-year history, raising the alarm about a whole host of existential threats.”
“The whole point of this clock is to, yes, to alarm people, to inform people, but also to demonstrate we can turn back the hands of the clock.”
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