“Overblown” Sell-off in Software Loans | Matthew Bloomfield on Public BDCs (Business Development Companies) and Collateralized Loan Obligations (CLOs)
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The public BDC market is experiencing a 'overblown' sell-off, with well-structured, transparent firms like Palmer Square's PSBD trading at deep discounts despite strong underlying credit quality. Matthew Bloomfield of Palmer Square Capital Management argues that the panic is mispriced: his BDC holds large, liquid, broadly syndicated loans to high-EBITDA companies with sub-25 basis point non-accruals, yet trades at a wider discount than riskier private credit BDCs. The root cause? Market fear around AI-driven disruption in software, which has triggered a sector-specific selloff in syndicated loans—even though software's embeddedness in business workflows makes widespread disintermediation unlikely. Bloomfield contends that the real risk lies in the private credit market's opaque, non-tradable valuations, which are still marked at par despite deteriorating fundamentals. Meanwhile, in the CLO market, volatility is a hidden opportunity: falling loan prices allow managers to 'build par' by reinvesting paydowns at discounts, boosting long-term equity returns. Structural protections like over-collateralization and interest coverage tests ensure debt tranches remain safe even in downturns. The episode reveals that the most attractive credit opportunities today aren't in the panic zones—but in the disciplined, transparent, and structurally sound vehicles that can exploit market irrationality.
Public BDCs are trading at deep discounts despite strong credit quality, indicating market panic is overblown.
Software loan exposure in PSBD is only 11%, yet the sector is driving disproportionate selloffs due to AI fears.
CLO equity returns are enhanced during volatility when managers reinvest paydowns at discounts to build par.
Structural protections in CLOs—like over-collateralization and interest coverage tests—make debt tranches extremely safe.
The private credit market’s lack of transparency is a bigger risk than the public syndicated loan market’s volatility.
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The Overblown Sell-Off in Public BDCs
Jack Farley sets the stage for the episode, highlighting the paradoxical market behavior where well-structured, transparent BDCs like PSBD are trading at deeper discounts than riskier private credit BDCs. He frames the discussion around perceived vs. real credit stress and introduces Matthew Bloomfield as a leading expert in structured credit.
Why PSBD Trades at a Deep Discount Despite Strong Credit
“We do think despite kind of what investors view maybe as those headline percentages, true risk from disintermediation for a lot of these businesses is considerably lower in our opinion. Considerably lower.”
The AI Panic and Its Impact on Loan Markets
The sell-off is concentrated in software and AI-adjacent sectors. Bloomfield acknowledges the spread widening but argues it’s overdone. He notes that many software companies may actually benefit from AI, and the market is reacting to fear, not fundamentals.
The Real Risk: Private Credit’s Lack of Transparency
“I think undoubtedly, you know, in the private credit market writ large, I think investors are questioning, you know, what are the true marks of the underlying portfolios?”
CLOs: The Hidden Advantage of Volatility
“Could you just go in a little bit greater depth on that and the difference you said between spread volatility and price volatility and why some of that is good for CLO equity? Yeah. So let's say you've had a loan that's priced at SOFR 300... you're buying that at 95 cents on the dollar... you're actually building the overall collateral pool in there which ultimately generates more income for for your equity investor so as you do that time and time again it's uh you know a pretty positive for for clo equity”
“We do think despite kind of what investors view maybe as those headline percentages, true risk from disintermediation for a lot of these businesses is considerably lower in our opinion. Considerably lower.”
“So instead of having 500 million of proceeds in the deal, you'd have 503 million dollars of proceeds. So you're earning interest on that 503 million of underlying collateral.”
“Our average equity IRR has been right around 17%. So it's been very, very good return profile for our equity and equity investors over the past decade.”
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