The economic outlook of the great outdoors
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In this episode of Marketplace All-in-One, host Kimberly Adams explores the current state of the U.S. outdoor recreation economy with Rachel Cohen from the Mountain West News Bureau. The conversation begins with a lighthearted cocktail exchange, setting a relaxed tone before diving into economic trends. While outdoor recreation saw a surge during the pandemic, recent data shows signs of slowing growth due to post-pandemic normalization, ongoing tariff impacts on apparel and gear imports, and weather volatility—particularly a poor ski season in the West. A key development discussed is a new Forest Service rule allowing ski resorts greater flexibility to diversify into year-round activities like mountain biking, concerts, and zip-lining, signaling adaptation to climate change. The episode also covers the Forest Service’s controversial move of its headquarters from Washington, D.C., to Salt Lake City, raising concerns about institutional knowledge loss and workforce attrition. Park visitation dipped slightly in 2025 after a record year in 2024, attributed to a government shutdown, reduced international tourism, and a new $100-per-person fee for non-residents entering national parks. The segment concludes with a fun game featuring Rachel and host Drew Jostad, where they debate outdoor preferences like hiking vs. biking, camping vs. glamping, and mountains vs. oceans—revealing a close split in public sentiment. The episode blends economic insight with personal storytelling and audience engagement.
The outdoor recreation economy is showing signs of slowing after pandemic-driven growth, influenced by post-pandemic normalization and global supply chain issues.
New Forest Service rules allow ski resorts to diversify into non-snow activities, helping them adapt to climate change and seasonal revenue gaps.
The Forest Service’s move from D.C. to Salt Lake City raises concerns about losing experienced staff and institutional knowledge.
A new $100-per-person fee for international park visitors may deter tourism, though its long-term impact remains uncertain.
Park visitation declined slightly in 2025 due to a government shutdown, reduced international travel, and policy changes.
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Welcome to the Weekend: Economics on Tap
Host Kimberly Adams welcomes listeners to the weekend edition of Make Me Smart, setting a relaxed tone with a lighthearted intro and a brief cocktail exchange.
The State of the Outdoor Recreation Economy
“During the pandemic especially, we really saw a bunch of people getting outside and people who weren't necessarily taking part in those activities before. And that's definitely cooled down a little bit.”
Forest Service Rule Change: Adapting to Climate Change
“They're getting rid of that revenue calculation and looking at a number of other factors that are a little bit more subjective. You've been down to... does it look and feel like a ski area?”
The Forest Service Headquarters Move
“Almost 90 percent of the people who were asked to move ended up leaving the agency rather than making the move.”
National Park Visitation Trends and New Fees
“International visitors or non-residents will have to pay a hundred dollars per person unless they buy a special annual pass.”
“They're getting rid of that revenue calculation and looking at a number of other factors that are a little bit more subjective. You've been down to... does it look and feel like a ski area?”
“Almost 90 percent of the people who were asked to move ended up leaving the agency rather than making the move.”
“During the pandemic especially, we really saw a bunch of people getting outside and people who weren't necessarily taking part in those activities before. And that's definitely cooled down a little bit.”
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Rachel Cohen
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Kimberly Adams
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Forest Service
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Drew Jostad
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KUNC
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