Advice Line with Chieh Huang of Boxed
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In this episode of How I Built This's Advice Line, host Guy Raz brings back Chieh Huang, co-founder of Boxed, to advise three early-stage founders navigating critical growth challenges. Alec from Surfing Cow, a natural skincare brand using beef tallow, seeks guidance on scaling production without losing his brand’s soul. Chieh and Guy emphasize the urgency of transitioning from home-based manufacturing to a co-manufacturer, warning that manual fulfillment won’t sustain $200k+ in annual sales. They also encourage Alec to consider small, strategic investments to secure production capacity. Jessica from Tail Cinch, a sustainable equine product brand, asks whether listing on platforms like Chewy is worth the thin margins. Chieh advises yes, if it drives brand awareness and customer acquisition, but cautions about long payment cycles and working capital strain. He also suggests leveraging the overlap between horse and pet owners to expand reach. Eli from McCore Coffee, an anti-inflammatory coffee blend, struggles with product overflow in drip machines. The team recommends creating a specialized formulation for larger brews, exploring single-serve pouches like Justin’s nut butter, and targeting office distribution. Chieh closes with a powerful reflection on entrepreneurship: the journey itself is the reward, not just the outcome. Despite Boxed’s bankruptcy, he remains passionate about problem-solving and impact.
Scale manufacturing early—home-based production won’t support $200k+ in sales.
Use small, strategic investments (under $50k) from trusted individuals to fund production runs.
List on retail platforms like Chewy for brand awareness, even with thin margins, if you can manage working capital.
Create different formulations for different brewing methods (e.g., drip vs. French press) to maintain performance.
Explore single-serve pouches or portable formats to drive trial and distribution, inspired by successful CPG innovations.
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Introduction & Chieh Huang’s Journey
Guy Raz welcomes Chieh Huang back to the show, recapping his founding of Boxed in 2013, its explosive growth during the pandemic, and its eventual 2023 bankruptcy. Chieh reflects on the emotional toll, yet reaffirms he wouldn’t trade the experience for anything.
Surfing Cow: Scaling from the Kitchen
“You're not going to make this yourself in the long term, especially if you're looking at trying to hit 200 grand in sales this year. That's just not possible.”
Tail Cinch: Retail Expansion & Brand Awareness
“Even though you sell that tail cinch, you might not get paid for it for half a year. And I've definitely seen kind of entrepreneurs get bitten by that.”
McCore Coffee: Solving Brewing Challenges
“If you can figure it out, which I think you could, that could be a game changer.”
Final Reflections & Entrepreneurial Wisdom
“Enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it. And I genuinely feel that way today.”
“You're going to have ups. You're going to have downs. But enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it.”
“The journey of entrepreneurship is inherently rewarding—focus on solving problems, not just outcomes.”
“I would say, listen, you're going to have ups. You're going to have downs. But enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it.”
Host
Guest
Boxed
organization
Guy Raz
person
Chieh Huang
person
Surfing Cow
organization
Tail Cinch
organization
McCore Coffee
organization
Beef Tallow
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Chewy
organization
Whole Foods
organization
Pelgo
organization
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