Advice Line with Chieh Huang of Boxed

How I Built This with Guy Raz51mApril 16, 2026

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In this episode of How I Built This's Advice Line, host Guy Raz brings back Chieh Huang, co-founder of Boxed, to advise three early-stage founders navigating critical growth challenges. Alec from Surfing Cow, a natural skincare brand using beef tallow, seeks guidance on scaling production without losing his brand’s soul. Chieh and Guy emphasize the urgency of transitioning from home-based manufacturing to a co-manufacturer, warning that manual fulfillment won’t sustain $200k+ in annual sales. They also encourage Alec to consider small, strategic investments to secure production capacity. Jessica from Tail Cinch, a sustainable equine product brand, asks whether listing on platforms like Chewy is worth the thin margins. Chieh advises yes, if it drives brand awareness and customer acquisition, but cautions about long payment cycles and working capital strain. He also suggests leveraging the overlap between horse and pet owners to expand reach. Eli from McCore Coffee, an anti-inflammatory coffee blend, struggles with product overflow in drip machines. The team recommends creating a specialized formulation for larger brews, exploring single-serve pouches like Justin’s nut butter, and targeting office distribution. Chieh closes with a powerful reflection on entrepreneurship: the journey itself is the reward, not just the outcome. Despite Boxed’s bankruptcy, he remains passionate about problem-solving and impact.

Key Takeaways
1

Scale manufacturing early—home-based production won’t support $200k+ in sales.

2

Use small, strategic investments (under $50k) from trusted individuals to fund production runs.

3

List on retail platforms like Chewy for brand awareness, even with thin margins, if you can manage working capital.

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Create different formulations for different brewing methods (e.g., drip vs. French press) to maintain performance.

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Explore single-serve pouches or portable formats to drive trial and distribution, inspired by successful CPG innovations.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Introduction & Chieh Huang’s Journey

Guy Raz welcomes Chieh Huang back to the show, recapping his founding of Boxed in 2013, its explosive growth during the pandemic, and its eventual 2023 bankruptcy. Chieh reflects on the emotional toll, yet reaffirms he wouldn’t trade the experience for anything.

10:00
10 min

Surfing Cow: Scaling from the Kitchen

You're not going to make this yourself in the long term, especially if you're looking at trying to hit 200 grand in sales this year. That's just not possible.

Highlight
20:00
10 min

Tail Cinch: Retail Expansion & Brand Awareness

Even though you sell that tail cinch, you might not get paid for it for half a year. And I've definitely seen kind of entrepreneurs get bitten by that.

Highlight
30:00
10 min

McCore Coffee: Solving Brewing Challenges

If you can figure it out, which I think you could, that could be a game changer.

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40:00
10 min

Final Reflections & Entrepreneurial Wisdom

Enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it. And I genuinely feel that way today.

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High-Impact Quotes
You're going to have ups. You're going to have downs. But enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it.
Chieh Huang49:00
Viral: 92.0
The journey of entrepreneurship is inherently rewarding—focus on solving problems, not just outcomes.
Chieh Huang80:48
Viral: 90.0
I would say, listen, you're going to have ups. You're going to have downs. But enjoy the ride because it's going to be worth it.
Chieh Huang48:59
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Host

Guy Raz

Guest

Chieh Huang
Topics Discussed
scaling a consumer brand95%co-manufacturing and production90%entrepreneurial mindset and resilience88%brand positioning and niche markets85%retail distribution and platform expansion80%product formulation and technical challenges75%working capital and payment cycles70%founder mental health and emotional toll65%
People & Brands

Boxed

organization

18xMixed

Guy Raz

person

15xPositive

Chieh Huang

person

12xPositive

Surfing Cow

organization

10xPositive

Tail Cinch

organization

8xPositive

McCore Coffee

organization

7xPositive

Beef Tallow

other

4xPositive

Chewy

organization

4xNeutral

Whole Foods

organization

3xPositive

Pelgo

organization

3xPositive

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