The Limits of Power
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The episode "The Limits of Power" confronts a stark paradox in modern warfare: despite possessing overwhelming military force, powerful nations like the U.S., Russia, and Israel are failing to achieve decisive outcomes in their current conflicts. Historian Michael Kimmage argues that the war in Ukraine has shattered the illusion of military dominance, revealing that even nuclear-armed great powers cannot easily conquer smaller, technologically agile states. Ukraine’s ability to resist through drone warfare and innovation has created a new kind of asymmetrical conflict—one where military power alone is insufficient. Kimmage traces this pattern back to the 1990s Balkan interventions, where U.S. force was effective but short-lived, and contrasts it with today’s endless, ambiguous wars that lack clear ends. He warns that the failure to understand the limits of power is not just a strategic error but a systemic one, driven by political vanity, domestic frustrations, and a dangerous romanticization of military leadership. The episode culminates in a sobering warning: if Russia extinguishes Ukrainian statehood, the war will not end—it will spread westward, dragging Europe into a broader conflict and unraveling the fragile stability of the global order. The solution, Kimmage insists, lies not in more force, but in reuniting military power with wisdom—something he sees as tragically absent in today’s leadership.
Military power has profound limits—Russia’s four-year war in Ukraine has failed to achieve its goals despite overwhelming force.
Smaller states like Ukraine can now stymie great powers using cheap, mass-producible technology like drones, creating a new 21st-century asymmetry.
Wars are no longer decisive—modern conflicts are ambiguous, unended, and often self-perpetuating, unlike the clear victories of 1945.
The U.S. and Russia are both trapped in wars they cannot win, not due to lack of resources, but due to misaligned political and military objectives.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was driven by a mix of insecurity narratives and imperial ambition, but the war’s failure has exposed the limits of Russian power.
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The Myth of Decisive Victory
Martin De Caro opens the episode with a dramatic, fictionalized threat against Iran, setting the stage for a discussion on the illusion of military dominance in modern warfare.
The War in Ukraine as a Turning Point
“Ukraine has not been defeated. Russia has the larger population, economy and military, but Ukraine's resolve and the technological savvy, in particular its capacity to innovate, build and deploy drones, have slowed the Russian advance to a crawl.”
From the 1990s to Today: A Shift in Power
Kimmage contrasts the U.S. success in the Balkans with today’s quagmires, showing how the post-Cold War era of decisive military action has given way to endless, ambiguous conflicts.
The Limits of Military Power
“Powerful countries still don't understand the limits of power. And even though we're not having a world war... we have lots of regional wars that have global implications.”
“Ukraine has not been defeated. Russia has the larger population, economy and military, but Ukraine's resolve and the technological savvy, in particular its capacity to innovate, build and deploy drones, have slowed the Russian advance to a crawl.”
“These are two things that need to be intertwined in a way, especially for countries as we've been talking about Martin, especially for countries that are powerful.”
“force when you have it, the kind of chief executive who also feels more like a chief executive in the military domain than perhaps in the conventional political domain.”
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Michael Kimmage
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Russia
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Ukraine
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United States
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Iran
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Martin De Caro
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Trump
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Putin
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Israel Annexes the West Bank
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Martyrs and Survivors: The Iran-Iraq War
History As It Happens • 51m • 4/10/2026
American Suez
History As It Happens • 57m • 4/14/2026
Giulio Douhet's Kind of War
History As It Happens • 36m • 4/17/2026
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