Who is winning the scam game?

Hacking Humans57mApril 16, 2026

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In this episode of Hacking Humans, hosts Dave Bittner, Joe Kerrigan, and Maria Vermazis explore the evolving landscape of social engineering scams, emphasizing that while attackers are leveraging AI and sophisticated techniques like deepfakes, the core vulnerabilities remain human psychology. The episode opens with a real-world case of a man on a U.S. work visa arrested in Louisiana for attempting to collect $800,000 in gold as part of a widespread scam where victims were tricked into transferring funds to purchase gold, which was then sold by complicit jewelry stores. The hosts break down the physical reality of that amount—equivalent to about the size of a bowling ball—highlighting the tangible risk behind digital fraud. They then shift focus to a new threat group targeting BPOs (Business Process Outsourcers) using phishing kits to bypass multi-factor authentication via fake Okta login pages, underscoring the need for hardware-based FIDO2 keys like YubiKeys. A compelling interview with CISO and psychology professor Sean Colicchio follows, where he reveals how AI is amplifying social engineering but not changing the underlying psychological triggers—authority, urgency, familiarity. He advocates for training that balances novelty with fundamentals, encourages slowing down, trusting instincts, and using peer consultation to counteract manipulation. The episode closes with a list of '10 Hard Stop Rules' for online scams, including never sharing credentials, avoiding QR codes, and recognizing secrecy as a red flag. The hosts reflect on how simple, human-centered behaviors—like pausing before acting—remain the most effective defense.

Key Takeaways
1

Attackers are using AI to scale social engineering, but psychological principles like authority and urgency remain unchanged.

2

Hardware-based MFA (like FIDO2 keys) is the most secure defense against phishing, especially when bypassing soft tokens and SMS.

3

Training should mix high-tech threats (e.g., deepfakes) with low-tech ones (e.g., QR code drops) to maintain vigilance and prevent complacency.

4

Always slow down and trust your gut—urgency is a hallmark of scams.

5

Never share credentials, grant remote access, or use QR codes from unsolicited messages.

…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus

Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Gold Scam: From New Jersey to Louisiana

So let me ask you this. So I just did a little asking of our good friend Mr. GPT because I was curious what $800,000 worth of gold weighs. In my mind, for no particular reason, I pictured kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons dragon sitting on a pile of gold.

Highlight
10:00
10 min

BPOs Under Siege: Phishing via Live Chat and Fake Okta Pages

The number one recommendation here, Dave, is implement a FIDO2 hardware security key, believe it or not. It's almost like you predicted that one.

Highlight
20:00
20 min

AI-Powered Deepfakes and the Psychology of Trust

If you're spotting those type of things and you trust those instincts in the spidey sense, as some people call it... you can really try and understand, well, is this odd that somebody in an executive position is sending me a text message to get gift cards?

Highlight
40:00
20 min

10 Hard Stop Rules for Online Scams: A Listener’s Guide

Joe shares a list of 10 practical rules from a retired federal law enforcement officer for avoiding online scams. The rules emphasize verifying sources, never sharing credentials, avoiding QR codes, not granting remote access, and recognizing secrecy as a red flag. The hosts praise the list for its balance of simplicity and effectiveness.

1:00:00
33 min

The Catch of the Day: Scam Emails and Battery Anxiety

The hosts dissect a scam email offering a revenue share for app publishing, which is likely an account takeover attempt. They also humorously discuss a Reddit post showing a phone with excessive battery and signal indicators, using it as a metaphor for how scammers exploit digital clutter and anxiety.

High-Impact Quotes
If you're spotting those type of things and you trust those instincts in the spidey sense, as some people call it... you can really try and understand, well, is this odd that somebody in an executive position is sending me a text message to get gift cards?
Sean Colicchio24:34
Viral: 90.0
The number one recommendation here, Dave, is implement a FIDO2 hardware security key, believe it or not. It's almost like you predicted that one.
Joe Kerrigan15:14
Viral: 85.0
So let me ask you this. So I just did a little asking of our good friend Mr. GPT because I was curious what $800,000 worth of gold weighs. In my mind, for no particular reason, I pictured kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons dragon sitting on a pile of gold.
Dave Bittner5:20
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

Hosts

Dave BittnerJoe KerriganMaria Vermazis

Guest

Sean Colicchio
Topics Discussed
social engineering scams95%ai-powered phishing90%multi-factor authentication88%psychology of trust85%bpo security75%qr code phishing70%employee security training68%gold scam fraud65%
People & Brands

sean colicchio

person

15xPositive

threat locker

brand

6xPositive

yubikey

product

5xPositive

amazon

brand

3xNeutral

negan bat

person

3xNegative

fido alliance

organization

3xPositive

google

brand

3xNeutral

kvee gaming hub

organization

2xNegative

google threat intelligence

organization

2xNeutral

polera

organization

2xPositive

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