Who is winning the scam game?
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In this episode of Hacking Humans, hosts Dave Bittner, Joe Kerrigan, and Maria Vermazis explore the evolving landscape of social engineering scams, emphasizing that while attackers are leveraging AI and sophisticated techniques like deepfakes, the core vulnerabilities remain human psychology. The episode opens with a real-world case of a man on a U.S. work visa arrested in Louisiana for attempting to collect $800,000 in gold as part of a widespread scam where victims were tricked into transferring funds to purchase gold, which was then sold by complicit jewelry stores. The hosts break down the physical reality of that amount—equivalent to about the size of a bowling ball—highlighting the tangible risk behind digital fraud. They then shift focus to a new threat group targeting BPOs (Business Process Outsourcers) using phishing kits to bypass multi-factor authentication via fake Okta login pages, underscoring the need for hardware-based FIDO2 keys like YubiKeys. A compelling interview with CISO and psychology professor Sean Colicchio follows, where he reveals how AI is amplifying social engineering but not changing the underlying psychological triggers—authority, urgency, familiarity. He advocates for training that balances novelty with fundamentals, encourages slowing down, trusting instincts, and using peer consultation to counteract manipulation. The episode closes with a list of '10 Hard Stop Rules' for online scams, including never sharing credentials, avoiding QR codes, and recognizing secrecy as a red flag. The hosts reflect on how simple, human-centered behaviors—like pausing before acting—remain the most effective defense.
Attackers are using AI to scale social engineering, but psychological principles like authority and urgency remain unchanged.
Hardware-based MFA (like FIDO2 keys) is the most secure defense against phishing, especially when bypassing soft tokens and SMS.
Training should mix high-tech threats (e.g., deepfakes) with low-tech ones (e.g., QR code drops) to maintain vigilance and prevent complacency.
Always slow down and trust your gut—urgency is a hallmark of scams.
Never share credentials, grant remote access, or use QR codes from unsolicited messages.
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The Gold Scam: From New Jersey to Louisiana
“So let me ask you this. So I just did a little asking of our good friend Mr. GPT because I was curious what $800,000 worth of gold weighs. In my mind, for no particular reason, I pictured kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons dragon sitting on a pile of gold.”
BPOs Under Siege: Phishing via Live Chat and Fake Okta Pages
“The number one recommendation here, Dave, is implement a FIDO2 hardware security key, believe it or not. It's almost like you predicted that one.”
AI-Powered Deepfakes and the Psychology of Trust
“If you're spotting those type of things and you trust those instincts in the spidey sense, as some people call it... you can really try and understand, well, is this odd that somebody in an executive position is sending me a text message to get gift cards?”
10 Hard Stop Rules for Online Scams: A Listener’s Guide
Joe shares a list of 10 practical rules from a retired federal law enforcement officer for avoiding online scams. The rules emphasize verifying sources, never sharing credentials, avoiding QR codes, not granting remote access, and recognizing secrecy as a red flag. The hosts praise the list for its balance of simplicity and effectiveness.
The Catch of the Day: Scam Emails and Battery Anxiety
The hosts dissect a scam email offering a revenue share for app publishing, which is likely an account takeover attempt. They also humorously discuss a Reddit post showing a phone with excessive battery and signal indicators, using it as a metaphor for how scammers exploit digital clutter and anxiety.
“If you're spotting those type of things and you trust those instincts in the spidey sense, as some people call it... you can really try and understand, well, is this odd that somebody in an executive position is sending me a text message to get gift cards?”
“The number one recommendation here, Dave, is implement a FIDO2 hardware security key, believe it or not. It's almost like you predicted that one.”
“So let me ask you this. So I just did a little asking of our good friend Mr. GPT because I was curious what $800,000 worth of gold weighs. In my mind, for no particular reason, I pictured kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons dragon sitting on a pile of gold.”
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sean colicchio
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threat locker
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yubikey
product
amazon
brand
negan bat
person
fido alliance
organization
brand
kvee gaming hub
organization
google threat intelligence
organization
polera
organization
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