SLAM, scam, thank you ma’am.
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In this episode of Hacking Humans, hosts Dave Bittner, Joe Kerrigan, and guest Michelle Kellerman explore the evolving landscape of social engineering scams, focusing on both preventative strategies and systemic shifts in accountability. The episode opens with a lighthearted segment about Joe’s chicken coop roof dilemma, transitioning into a serious discussion on romance scams, emphasizing the importance of pre-emptive 'inoculation' to protect vulnerable individuals. Michelle introduces the SLAM method—a phishing awareness framework standing for Sender, Links, Attachments, and Message—as a practical tool for identifying deceptive emails. She then presents a compelling thesis: the tide may be turning in the fight against scams, as financial institutions like UK banks are beginning to push liability upstream to telecom and social media platforms, mirroring the EMV chip liability shift in credit card fraud. This momentum is fueled by massive fraud losses, AI-driven vulnerability discovery (via Anthropic’s Mythos), and growing legal pressure on platforms like Facebook, which profit from fraudulent advertising. The episode closes with a real-world case of cousins running a nationwide rental scam using fake listings and discriminatory cancellations, highlighting how even trusted platforms like Airbnb are complicit in enabling fraud. The hosts reflect on the broader implications of consumer data exploitation and the need for systemic change, ending with a 'Catch of the Day' illustrating a subtle, emotionally manipulative scam via a vague text message.
Use the SLAM method (Sender, Links, Attachments, Message) to proactively identify phishing attempts before they succeed.
Pre-emptive education ('inoculation') is far more effective than trying to rescue someone mid-scam.
Banks are beginning to push liability for fraud upstream to social media and telecom companies, signaling a potential shift in accountability.
Platforms like Facebook profit from fraudulent ads, and legal pressure (e.g., product liability suits) may soon force them to act.
AI tools like Anthropic’s Mythos can rapidly identify software vulnerabilities, but the resulting backlog of fixes is a growing challenge.
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Welcome & Chicken Coop Confessions
The hosts kick off the episode with light banter, including Joe’s humorous update on his chicken coop’s opaque roof issue, setting a casual tone before diving into serious topics.
Romance Scam Warning & Inoculation
“If you can warn people about these things before they happen, it's a lot easier to convince someone not to be scammed than to get them out of the scam while they're in the middle of it.”
Introducing the SLAM Method for Phishing Awareness
“The SLAM method is pretty easy to remember. And again, it's a decent one to send around to your colleagues, to your friends, that sort of thing.”
The Turning Tide: From EMV to Scam Liability
“Banks are going to start forcing the issue as opposed to just, oh, it sucks for the little guy. Banks now have a problem.”
The Rental Scam & Platform Complicity
Joe details a 10-year nationwide rental scam by two cousins who used fake listings, overbooking, and discriminatory cancellations on Airbnb and Vrbo. The episode critiques platform complacency, with Airbnb’s corporate response described as dismissive, while prosecutors allege racial bias in cancellations.
“Banks are going to start forcing the issue as opposed to just, oh, it sucks for the little guy. Banks now have a problem.”
“If you can warn people about these things before they happen, it's a lot easier to convince someone not to be scammed than to get them out of the scam while they're in the middle of it.”
“We're seeing just a critical mass of just how much volume is, it's not supported anymore.”
Hosts
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Dave Bittner
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Joe Kerrigan
person
Michelle Kellerman
person
SLAM method
other
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Airbnb
organization
Mythos
product
EMV chips
other
ThreatLocker
organization
Meta
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