499: Live Work with Hiral, Part 2 of 2

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy1h 50mApril 27, 2026

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In this powerful conclusion to a two-part live demonstration, Dr. David Burns and Dr. Rhonda Barovsky guide Haral, a deeply self-critical mother, through a transformative session of Team CBT. The episode begins with a candid exploration of therapeutic connection, where Haral’s initial resistance to grading the therapists on warmth and acceptance becomes a pivotal teaching moment—revealing that the failure to connect is not a flaw, but a gateway to deeper healing. The session unfolds with a masterclass in positive reframing, where Haral identifies the hidden strengths in her negative thoughts and emotions—such as her high standards, love for her son, and desire for meaningful connection—transforming shame into self-compassion. The magic dial technique then allows her to set realistic, compassionate goals, preserving the positive aspects of her inner critic while reducing suffering. Through externalization of voices, Haral powerfully defends her self-worth, culminating in a dramatic emotional shift from 100% distress to near-zero on most negative emotions. The episode closes with a heartfelt Q&A, affirming the efficacy of the methods and emphasizing the importance of homework, relapse prevention, and therapist vulnerability. The session exemplifies how deep emotional transformation is possible in a single session when empathy, structure, and compassion are fused.

Key Takeaways
1

The failure to connect in therapy is not a setback—it's a crucial opportunity to deepen the therapeutic alliance.

2

Every negative thought or emotion contains hidden strengths and values; positive reframing reveals these to build self-worth.

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The 'magic dial' technique allows patients to reduce suffering while preserving the positive aspects of their inner critic.

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Externalization of voices empowers patients to defend their self-worth through role-play, leading to profound emotional breakthroughs.

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Therapist self-disclosure, when authentic and purposeful, fosters connection and normalizes imperfection.

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Chapters
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7 min

Introduction and Setting the Stage

Dr. Rhonda Barovsky and Dr. David Burns welcome listeners to episode 499, the second part of a live demonstration with Haral. They preview the session’s focus on empathy, connection, and the therapeutic process, emphasizing the importance of addressing resistance and the unique feedback Haral gave on warmth and acceptance.

6:40
10 min

The Power of Resistance and Connection

The problem isn't the failure, but the shame or the judgment. But the failure that's happening is very exciting and very desirable.

Highlight
16:40
17 min

Positive Reframing: Finding Strength in the Negative

What does that thought show about you and your core values as a human being? That's positive, beautiful and awesome.

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33:20
17 min

The Magic Dial: Balancing Healing and Identity

If you press that magic button, and all your negative thoughts and feelings disappear, all these positives will go down the toilet right along with your negative thoughts and feelings.

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50:00
25 min

Externalization of Voices: The Power of Self-Defense

The best thing I can do for my son is to turn off that voice in my own head. To heal myself. And that's my best way of healing my son.

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High-Impact Quotes
The best thing I can do for my son is to turn off that voice in my own head. To heal myself. And that's my best way of healing my son.
Haral98:14
Viral: 95.0
I want to say thank you to you, David, for guiding all of us today and for your kindness and humanity and your... beauty and artfulness in bringing the Team CBT model to life.
Dr. Rhonda Barovsky107:44
Viral: 94.0
The older I get, the more mistakes I make. And my mistakes are just a chance for humility and for learning and growing.
Dr. David Burns71:30
Viral: 92.0
Speakers

Hosts

Dr. Rhonda BarovskyDr. David Burns

Guest

Haral
Topics Discussed
Positive Reframing95%Externalization of Voices92%Therapeutic Connection90%Magic Dial Technique88%Cognitive Distortions85%Homework and Relapse Prevention80%Therapist Self-Disclosure75%Session Structure and Duration70%
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Daily Mood Log

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Feeling Great

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