Swanand Kirkire on Lyrics, Acting, NSD & Band Wale
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In this richly detailed episode of 'Cyrus Says', host Cyrus engages in a candid, humorous, and deeply personal conversation with legendary Indian lyricist, singer, actor, and writer Swannand Kirkire. Kirkire traces his journey from a non-professional musical upbringing in Delhi, shaped by parents who were disciples of Pandit Kumar Gandharu, to his formative years at the National School of Drama (NSD), where he discovered his voice not through formal training but through theatre. He recounts the serendipitous moment when Sudhir Mishra first heard him sing a Bihari folk song on set, leading to a career-defining role in 'Bauraman' and a long-standing collaboration with Vinod Chopra, for whom he wrote iconic lyrics for films like 'Paranita', 'A Club We Are', '3 Idiots', and 'Laghu Romunna Bhai'. The conversation delves into his struggles with typecasting as 'Sabka Father', his breakthrough in Marathi cinema with a National Award-winning performance in 'Sandeep Moody', and his recent pivot into directing with the Amazon Prime series 'Bandwale', a coming-of-age story about a girl chasing her dreams as a YouTuber and forming a band with delusional yet passionate friends. Kirkire reflects on the emotional weight of writing for socially conscious themes like female infanticide in 'Satyame Jayate', and shares his philosophy as a multi-hyphenate artist: a storyteller first, a creator who thrives on authenticity and thick skin in a volatile industry. Despite never winning a Filmfare, he remains grounded, proud of his three National Awards, and deeply committed to his craft. The episode is a masterclass in resilience, creativity, and self-awareness. Kirkire’s charm lies in his self-deprecating humor—admitting he’s terrible at design, joking about being mistaken for a father figure, and playfully comparing himself to a 'Hardik Pandya of the industry'. He celebrates the unsung heroes of Indian cinema, from NSD batchmates like Nawazuddin Siddiqui and Chitranyan Tripathi to mentors like Sudhir Mishra and Vinod Chopra. The conversation ends on a hopeful note, with Kirkire hinting at future projects, including a film with Jaya Bachchan and a Suraj Badi Aatia collaboration, while reaffirming his belief in the power of storytelling and the importance of staying true to one’s inner voice. The episode is a love letter to the messy, beautiful, and often overlooked journey of an artist who refuses to be boxed in.
Lyrics and storytelling are born from emotional truth—Kirkire wrote a powerful song about female infanticide after watching a harrowing documentary that moved him to tears.
Serendipity can change everything: his career was launched when Sudhir Mishra heard him sing a folk song on set, proving that authenticity often trumps formal training.
Typecasting is real, but self-awareness is power: Kirkire embraced the 'Sabka Father' role but consciously stepped back to avoid being defined by it.
National Awards are the ultimate validation—Kirkire has three (two for lyrics, one for acting), and he values them more than Filmfares, which he never won.
Creative control is sacred: he’s now writing and directing his own projects, believing that once you’re a creator, you can’t go back to someone else’s story.
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The Journey Begins: From Delhi to NSD
Cyrus opens the episode with a philosophical tone on longevity, then dives into Swannand Kirkire’s early life—born into a musical family, but not trained professionally. His parents were disciples of Pandit Kumar Gandharu, but pursued other careers. Kirkire shares how he moved to Delhi, studied design and direction at NSD, and discovered his voice through theatre, not formal training.
The NSD Years: A Batch of Legends
Kirkire reflects on his NSD batch, which included future stars like Nawazuddin Siddiqui and Geetanjali, and recalls how his singing talent wasn’t recognized until later. He jokes about his poor design skills and shares a funny anecdote about wearing a shirt he thought was new.
The Breakthrough: Bauraman and the Voice That Changed Everything
“He said, Sudhir is Bihari? Sudhir not a Bihari. U.P. Sudhir is U.P. and M.P. both.”
The Vinod Chopra Era: Writing the Icons
“Most of the times you know like the problem is that a lot depends on music in Hindi cinema. Like so if the song is good it pushes the film.”
From Writer to Actor: The Father Figure Trap
Kirkire discusses his unexpected entry into acting through an ad and then a role in 'Badrinath Ki Dulhaniya'. He reflects on being typecast as 'Sabka Father', a role he eventually rejected, and shares his admiration for Alia Bhatt.
“I came out and I was crying, you know? Because you really don't... You know things are bad, but you really don't know how bad they are.”
“Most of the times you know like the problem is that a lot depends on music in Hindi cinema. Like so if the song is good it pushes the film.”
“He really thinks, he thinks they are like, he will say, Jackie didn't get good. He didn't want to do that picture.”
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