A blueprint for scalable fusion power

Catalyst with Shayle Kann40mMay 21, 2026

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Fusion power is no longer just a theoretical dream — it's now a high-stakes engineering race with real milestones on the horizon. After the 2022 breakthrough at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, which achieved energy breakeven in a lab setting, the field has shifted from 'if' to 'when' fusion becomes viable. Carrie Von Munch, COO of Pacific Fusion, explains that the next critical milestone is net facility gain — where a fusion system produces more energy than is stored in the entire machine. Unlike the inefficient laser-driven approach used at Livermore, Pacific Fusion uses a pulsed-power system that’s far more efficient and modular, designed from the ground up to scale. The company’s approach relies on 156 identical, mass-manufacturable modules that can be swapped out like parts in a car, enabling rapid iteration and cost reduction. Von Munch reveals that fusion’s path to commercial viability isn’t just about energy gain — it’s about building systems that can be maintained, upgraded, and deployed at scale. The real breakthrough isn’t just physics; it’s financing: Pacific Fusion raised a billion dollars in tranches tied to technical milestones, a model borrowed from biotech that de-risks capital for hardware-heavy ventures. This structure works because fusion milestones are binary and clearly defined — you either hit net facility gain or you don’t — making it possible to align investor incentives with long-term execution. The most surprising insight?

Key Takeaways
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Net facility gain — producing more energy than is stored in the entire system — is the next critical milestone for fusion, not just energy breakeven.

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Pacific Fusion’s pulsed-power approach is more efficient than laser-driven systems and uses 156 identical, modular components that can be mass-produced and swapped like parts.

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The company’s financing model ties $1B in capital to clear technical milestones, a biotech-inspired structure that de-risks long-term hardware projects.

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Fusion systems can be upgraded in place — performance improves over time without building new plants, unlike traditional energy infrastructure.

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Fusion fuel supply is not a bottleneck: deuterium is abundant in seawater, and tritium is bred in the reactor, enabling a self-sustaining fuel cycle.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The Fusion Reality Check

Shayle Kann sets the stage by reviewing the state of fusion in 2026 — from the 2022 Livermore breakthrough to $15B in private capital and companies moving toward commercialization. He introduces Carrie Von Munch, COO of Pacific Fusion, as a key voice in navigating the field’s progress.

2:00
3 min

The Real Meaning of Net Facility Gain

If you draw your box around the entire fusion machine, including the capacitor bank, you only got percent and a half or so of the energy stored in the system out of the machine. And obviously, that's not a practical basis for a power plant.

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5:00
5 min

Why Livermore’s System Isn’t Practical

The inefficiency of laser-driven systems like Livermore’s is explained — the energy loss in converting electricity to laser light makes it impractical for power plants. Von Munch contrasts this with Pacific Fusion’s pulsed-power approach, which is far more efficient and scalable.

10:00
5 min

The Two Paths to Fusion: Steady State vs. Inertial

Von Munch outlines the two main fusion approaches: steady-state (tokamaks, stellarators) and inertial (laser- or pulsed-driven). She emphasizes that inertial fusion, particularly pulsed-power, crossed the scientific finish line in 2022 and is now the focus of private-sector commercialization.

15:00
5 min

Modularity as the Key to Scale

We bring two things that make a big difference, right? The first is an established scientific foundation... but also a path to a modular, maintainable, deployable system that can scale more readily as a power source.

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High-Impact Quotes
If you draw your box around the entire fusion machine, including the capacitor bank, you only got percent and a half or so of the energy stored in the system out of the machine. And obviously, that's not a practical basis for a power plant.
Carrie Von Munch6:43
Viral: 82.0
and our other investor directors, Eric Schmidt and Patrick Hallison, to design a set of milestones that made sense to everybody. And since then, we've been executing to plan. So far, it's worked really, really well.
Carrie Von Munch35:43
Viral: 80.0
There is very little intrinsic value in the company until there is a lot. Right? And it becomes pretty clear at that point.
Carrie Von Munch40:08
Viral: 77.0
Speakers

Host

Shayle Kann

Guest

Carrie Von Munch
Topics Discussed
fusion energy95%net facility gain90%modular fusion systems88%pulsed-power fusion87%inertial fusion85%fusion financing82%fusion cost curve78%fusion fuel supply75%
People & Brands

Pacific Fusion

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18xPositive

Carrie Von Munch

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12xPositive

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

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6xNeutral

Sandia National Laboratories

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4xNeutral

General Catalyst

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3xPositive

Eric Schmidt

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2xPositive

Patrick Hallison

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2xPositive

Commonwealth Fusion Systems

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2xNeutral

Proxima

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1xNeutral

TAE Technologies

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1xNeutral

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