Pond and Phuwin Talk Me and Thee, Fish upon the Sky, Music Careers and Their Bond
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On this episode of the Zach Sang Show, Thai stars Pond and Phuwin open up about their groundbreaking journey as one of the most iconic BL (Boys' Love) duos in global entertainment. From their nervous first meeting in a Thai conference room—where chemistry sparked during a comedic audition scene—to their evolution from distant co-workers into deeply connected partners, the two share intimate details of their on-screen and off-screen bond. They discuss the challenges of differing lifestyles, conflicting goals, and the pandemic-era isolation that initially strained their relationship, as well as the pivotal deep conversations after their first series, Fish Upon the Sky, and especially after Never Let Me Go, which became a turning point in their trust and respect for each other. Their success across five major series—each exploring different emotional and narrative genres—has been built on mutual respect, vulnerability, and a shared commitment to authenticity. They also reflect on the global impact of their work, the pressure of fan scrutiny, and their personal growth, including Pond’s journey from a shy actor to a K-pop idol and music artist, and Phuwin’s path from a dreamer with limited means to a multi-hyphenate star. The conversation closes with their excitement for future projects, including potential for action and melodrama, and a fun moment voicing their Overwatch character, Lifeweaver.
Authentic on-screen chemistry is built on off-screen vulnerability and deep, honest conversations about goals and boundaries.
Conflicts are inevitable in long-term creative partnerships, but they can be transformative when approached with respect and self-awareness.
Diversity in roles and genres is essential to avoid creative stagnation and maintain artistic integrity.
Fan scrutiny can be overwhelming, but staying true to oneself and your values is more important than external validation.
Respecting each other’s individual dreams—whether in acting, music, or personal life—strengthens the partnership as a whole.
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Welcome to the Studio: First Western Media Appearance
Pond and Phuwin express their nervous excitement about their first appearance on Western media, marveling at the scale of the studio and the 360-degree production setup, which contrasts sharply with their typical Thai studio environments.
Defining Thai BL: More Than Just a Genre
“It's just a story. It's just two people with a story and a script or whatever, right? So just throw everything out of that window. Just have the same mindset that people have of hetero stories.”
First Meeting: From Awkward Auditions to Chemistry
“When I start to play with him, I can feel like... can concentrate. Yeah. You believe the moment? Yeah, I believe the moment at that time.”
The Struggle: Differing Lifestyles and Off-Screen Tension
They reveal how their different upbringings—Pond from a traditional Thai school, Phuwin from an international school—led to conflicting philosophies and poor off-screen connection, especially during the pandemic.
Turning Point: The Deep Talk After Fish Upon the Sky
“We both had that mindset, it helped us connect a lot more. It also helped us understand each other more.”
“It's just a story. It's just two people with a story and a script or whatever, right? So just throw everything out of that window. Just have the same mindset that people have of hetero stories.”
“Love is love is love is love no matter who you are.”
“It's not until you see, like, each other getting frustrated at things or, like, seeing what makes them tick off, right? Until you really understand the other party.”
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