Pond and Phuwin Talk Me and Thee, Fish upon the Sky, Music Careers and Their Bond

Zach Sang Show1h 2mApril 3, 2026

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On this episode of the Zach Sang Show, Thai stars Pond and Phuwin open up about their groundbreaking journey as one of the most iconic BL (Boys' Love) duos in global entertainment. From their nervous first meeting in a Thai conference room—where chemistry sparked during a comedic audition scene—to their evolution from distant co-workers into deeply connected partners, the two share intimate details of their on-screen and off-screen bond. They discuss the challenges of differing lifestyles, conflicting goals, and the pandemic-era isolation that initially strained their relationship, as well as the pivotal deep conversations after their first series, Fish Upon the Sky, and especially after Never Let Me Go, which became a turning point in their trust and respect for each other. Their success across five major series—each exploring different emotional and narrative genres—has been built on mutual respect, vulnerability, and a shared commitment to authenticity. They also reflect on the global impact of their work, the pressure of fan scrutiny, and their personal growth, including Pond’s journey from a shy actor to a K-pop idol and music artist, and Phuwin’s path from a dreamer with limited means to a multi-hyphenate star. The conversation closes with their excitement for future projects, including potential for action and melodrama, and a fun moment voicing their Overwatch character, Lifeweaver.

Key Takeaways
1

Authentic on-screen chemistry is built on off-screen vulnerability and deep, honest conversations about goals and boundaries.

2

Conflicts are inevitable in long-term creative partnerships, but they can be transformative when approached with respect and self-awareness.

3

Diversity in roles and genres is essential to avoid creative stagnation and maintain artistic integrity.

4

Fan scrutiny can be overwhelming, but staying true to oneself and your values is more important than external validation.

5

Respecting each other’s individual dreams—whether in acting, music, or personal life—strengthens the partnership as a whole.

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Chapters
0:00
1 min

Welcome to the Studio: First Western Media Appearance

Pond and Phuwin express their nervous excitement about their first appearance on Western media, marveling at the scale of the studio and the 360-degree production setup, which contrasts sharply with their typical Thai studio environments.

1:00
4 min

Defining Thai BL: More Than Just a Genre

It's just a story. It's just two people with a story and a script or whatever, right? So just throw everything out of that window. Just have the same mindset that people have of hetero stories.

Highlight
5:00
5 min

First Meeting: From Awkward Auditions to Chemistry

When I start to play with him, I can feel like... can concentrate. Yeah. You believe the moment? Yeah, I believe the moment at that time.

Highlight
10:00
10 min

The Struggle: Differing Lifestyles and Off-Screen Tension

They reveal how their different upbringings—Pond from a traditional Thai school, Phuwin from an international school—led to conflicting philosophies and poor off-screen connection, especially during the pandemic.

20:00
10 min

Turning Point: The Deep Talk After Fish Upon the Sky

We both had that mindset, it helped us connect a lot more. It also helped us understand each other more.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
It's just a story. It's just two people with a story and a script or whatever, right? So just throw everything out of that window. Just have the same mindset that people have of hetero stories.
Pond51:28
Viral: 92.0
Love is love is love is love no matter who you are.
Zach Sang52:01
Viral: 90.0
It's not until you see, like, each other getting frustrated at things or, like, seeing what makes them tick off, right? Until you really understand the other party.
Pond21:57
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

ZachDan

Guests

PondPhuwin
Topics Discussed
Thai BL Genre95%On-Screen Chemistry90%Creative Partnership88%Personal Growth and Identity85%Emotional Authenticity in Storytelling80%Fan Culture and Scrutiny75%Acting Techniques70%Music and Artistic Diversification65%
People & Brands

Pond

person

120xPositive

Phuwin

person

118xPositive

Zach Sang Show

media

15xNeutral

Never Let Me Go

other

15xPositive

Fish Upon the Sky

other

12xPositive

Euphoria

other

10xPositive

Me and Thee

other

10xPositive

Overwatch

other

5xPositive

HBO

organization

5xNeutral

We Are

other

5xPositive

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