Laney Crowell on Building a $100M Clean Beauty Empire, Getting Top 10 at Sephora, and Why Your Makeup Is Ruining Your Skin
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Lainey Crowell didn't just build a clean beauty brand—she redefined what beauty could be by merging skincare science with high-performance makeup. Starting with a simple Instagram conversation and a personal struggle with acne-prone skin, she launched Say in 2019, just as the world shut down. Instead of collapsing, she pivoted into a community-first media company, using the pandemic to deepen trust and educate consumers on ingredient transparency. Within five years, Say became a top 10 makeup brand at Sephora, expanded into 40 stores across the Middle East, and hit $100M in revenue—all with a team of just 33 people. Her secret? A relentless focus on product integrity, a field team that owns the in-store experience, and a philosophy that 'clean' isn’t a marketing gimmick but a non-negotiable value. She spent five years perfecting a synthetic-polymer-free setting spray with 16-hour hold—because she refused to compromise on performance or ethics. Now, she’s proving that profitability and purpose aren’t mutually exclusive. Crowell’s journey reveals a powerful truth: success isn’t about scaling fast—it’s about building slow, staying true, and letting your community lead. She raised zero VC funding, bootstrapped her way to profitability, and built relationships with retailers like Sephora not as transactions, but as friendships. Her advice? If fundraising feels like a game, don’t play it. Build something so good that people can’t ignore it.
Say’s 16-hour hold setting spray took 5 years to develop without synthetic polymers—proving clean doesn’t mean compromised performance.
Launching during the pandemic forced Say to become a community-first media company, which deepened trust and fueled organic growth.
Say grew to $100M in revenue with only 33 people by prioritizing operational excellence and a dedicated in-store field team.
The brand’s success at Sephora came from treating the retailer as a partner, not a vendor—building friendships first, business second.
Lainey Crowell raised zero VC funding and achieved profitability by staying lean, scrappy, and focused on long-term product integrity.
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Welcome to Work Party: The Rise of a Clean Beauty Revolution
Hosts Jacqueline Johnson and Marina Middleton introduce Work Party, a podcast celebrating women redefining work on their own terms. They set the stage for Lainey Crowell’s story—founder of Say, a clean beauty brand that grew to $100M in five years, launched in 40 Sephora stores, and sold 534 units per minute.
From Estee Lauder to Instagram: The Spark That Started Say
Lainey shares her journey from being the first executive director of online global communications at Estee Lauder to launching Say after a personal epiphany: her makeup was causing breakouts. Her blog, born from a desire to return to storytelling, became the seed for a brand built on community and clean ingredients.
The Pandemic Pivot: Turning Crisis into Community
“I just pivoted. We started really thinking about ourselves as like a media company, how we're here for our community.”
The $100M Clean Beauty Empire: How a 33-Person Team Did It
Lainey reveals how Say scaled to $100M with a team of just 33 people by focusing on operational excellence, a dedicated field team, and a slow, methodical expansion into Sephora—starting with one shelf and growing to two bays over five years.
The 5-Year Setting Spray: Science Over Sacrifice
“It took us five years to create a 16-hour hold without any synthetic polymers. We use a hydrolyzed cornstarch. Your skin feels like it can breathe.”
“a game. Totally. It's not personal. Yeah, it's not personal about you. It's not personal about your idea. It's just a game investors are very formulaic.”
“I just pivoted. We started really thinking about ourselves as like a media company, how we're here for our community.”
“We had 12 brands be part of it and we're collecting over a million pounds of plastic.”
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