On Leadership, Assignment, and Brokenness with Dr. Crawford Loritts
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In this powerful episode of With The Perrys, host Preston Perry engages Dr. Crawford Loritts in a profound exploration of leadership as identity, brokenness, and divine assignment. Drawing from decades of pastoral experience and personal trials—including the loss of a child and seasons of exhaustion—Dr. Loritts dismantles the myth of the self-made leader, emphasizing that true leadership is not about position or performance, but about character, dependence on God, and a calling rooted in stewardship. He challenges the cultural obsession with relevance and control, advocating instead for a Christ-like model of leadership defined by service, sacrifice, and humility. The conversation delves into the three seasons of life—learning (20s–40s), leveraging (40s–50s), and legacy-building (60s+), each requiring distinct spiritual disciplines. Central to the discussion is the idea that brokenness is not failure, but a divine tool for deepening intimacy with God, and that leaders must embrace their inadequacy as a pathway to transformation. The episode closes with a moving reflection on the power of apology, the importance of family as a sanctuary for sanctification, and the enduring truth that leadership is not about being strong, but about being available to God’s work.
Leadership is not a position or skill, but an identity rooted in divine assignment and character, not performance.
True leadership emerges from a life of obedience, not self-actualization—God produces leaders, not institutions.
Brokenness is not a sign of failure but a necessary season of dependence that deepens spiritual maturity and resilience.
The three seasons of life—learning, leveraging, and legacy—require different spiritual disciplines and must be embraced with humility.
Leadership is not about control, but about service: 'You die first so you can lead others.'
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Opening Reflections and the Power of Presence
The episode opens with warm banter between the Perrys, celebrating Jackie’s rap concert and her personal breakthrough. The hosts express gratitude for the moment, setting a tone of joy, authenticity, and family-centered connection.
Leadership as Identity: A Life of Dependence
“You need to not concentrate on making the gravy. You need to concentrate on being a good piece of meat.”
The Danger of Self-Reliance and the Need for Humility
“I'm the extension of the trust of other people. That anchored me a bit.”
The What and Why of Biblical Leadership
“Leadership in the Bible is never a position. It's defined by clarity. It's the why.”
The Dangers of Assigning Leadership Based on Desire
Loritts warns against promoting people based on desire rather than gifting. He shares how he’s seen well-intentioned but unqualified individuals fail in leadership roles, causing more harm than good. The key is fruit, affirmation, and spiritual discernment.
“I remember my dad's apologies more than I do his sins.”
“Desperation is a wonderful sense of God neediness, but you only learn that in the darkness.”
“Leadership in the Bible is prophetic and incarnational. It’s the portrait of the desired destination at which all things need to arrive.”
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