From Road Racing to Ultras with Marathon Legend Des Linden
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After becoming the first American woman in 33 years to win the Boston Marathon in 2018, Des Linden has officially retired from professional road racing—but not from adventure. In a candid and heartfelt conversation, she reveals how the marathon’s mental strategy, historical weight, and emotional stakes shaped her identity, while also exposing the quiet toll of chasing perfection. Now, she’s trading pavement for desert sands, embracing the unknown with her next wild idea: the Marathon de Sables, a grueling, self-supported stage race across the Sahara Desert where she’ll carry all her gear, survive extreme heat, and confront the limits of endurance in a completely unfamiliar terrain. What drives her now isn’t victory, but the thrill of being nervous again—of not knowing what’s ahead. Her transition from elite road racing to ultra trail running isn’t just a change in sport, but a reclamation of wonder and curiosity. Linden’s journey reflects a deeper truth: true fulfillment often comes not from mastering the familiar, but from stepping into the unknown. Her decision to retire on her own terms—supported by Brooks and announced in a full-page Boston Globe ad—was as strategic as any race plan. Now, she’s training with saunas, treadmill runs in heated garages, and sand drills, all while embracing the chaos of not having a playbook. Her new mantra? Not calm, calm, calm—but curiosity, fear, and the joy of not knowing. This isn’t an ending. It’s a reinvention.
Retire on your own terms: Des Linden negotiated her exit from professional racing with Brooks, ensuring she could leave with dignity and control over her next chapter.
The marathon is a mental game: Strategy, pacing, and mental resilience matter as much as fitness—especially in races like Boston and New York where tactics shape the outcome.
Fear is fuel: After years of chasing perfection, Des is excited again—not because she’s winning, but because she’s nervous, uncertain, and genuinely curious about what’s next.
Train for the unknown: For the Marathon de Sables, she’s using saunas, treadmill heat sessions, and sand drills to simulate extreme conditions—because preparation is about mindset, not just mileage.
Gear is survival: In the Sahara, every ounce counts—she’s choosing a single outfit, avoiding stoves (too heavy), and relying on sun-heated freeze-dried meals.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Boston Win That Changed Everything
“I think the win in 18 has to be the top, right? Not only was it winning on the day, which is going to be a standout, but the weather conditions were just insane.”
From Track to Marathon: A Reluctant Long-Distance Runner
Linden shares how she accidentally fell into marathon running after being a middle-distance track athlete, discovering that the marathon’s mental strategy and long-form thinking appealed to her more than raw speed.
The Mental Game of the Marathon
She breaks down how marathon strategy—when to push, when to conserve, how to stay with the pack—makes it a 'thinking game' more than a sprint, especially in championship races like Boston and New York.
Retiring on Her Own Terms
“I wanted to do this well. I don't want to do it just because I'm OK at it. I want to be great at it. And that's, you know, behind me.”
The Boston Globe Announcement: A Love Letter to a City
She reveals how she announced her retirement with a full-page ad in the Boston Globe—her way of thanking the city that shaped her career and gave her a second chance after a heartbreaking second place in 2011.
“It's just so foreign relative to everything I've done that it's going to force me to think differently, train differently, prepare differently.”
“I think the win in 18 has to be the top, right? Not only was it winning on the day, which is going to be a standout, but the weather conditions were just insane.”
“I haven't been this excited for a race in a long time. And it's just, it's that, it's the nerves again. You're like, well, I don't know what could happen out there.”
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