John Robins (Part Two)
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In this deeply introspective second part of the Walking the Dog podcast, comedian John Robbins opens up about his journey through alcoholism, gambling addiction, and the profound personal transformation that followed his decision to stop drinking on November 6, 2022. He reflects on his academic past, his formative years in sixth form where he found his tribe among creative outsiders, and the early signs of addiction during a gap year marked by compulsive gambling. Robbins dissects the myth that alcoholism is simply about drinking too much, arguing instead that it’s a coping mechanism for deeper emotional pain—what he calls 'the piece of shit at the centre of the universe.' He describes how sobriety didn’t bring instant peace, but rather revealed the raw, unfiltered self he’d been numbing for years. Through therapy, 12-step work, writing his memoir *Thirst*, and embracing mindfulness, he learned to manage anxiety, self-importance, and emotional regulation without alcohol. The episode also explores how his relationship with fame evolved—from chasing validation to finding fulfillment in authenticity, connection, and creative process. Robbins shares how letting go of control led to unexpected opportunities, like landing *Taskmaster* after years of frustration, reinforcing his belief that acceptance and surrender often lead to better outcomes than striving.
Alcohol isn’t the problem—yourself is. The real issue is the emotional void you’re trying to fill.
Sobriety isn’t about abstinence; it’s about learning to feel, think, and live without a crutch.
The most destructive trait of an alcoholic isn’t drunkenness—it’s the self-centeredness, jealousy, and control that emerge when sober.
You don’t need to be famous to be valuable—your worth lies in being present, honest, and kind.
Letting go of control often leads to better outcomes than relentless striving.
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The Academic and the Outcast
John Robbins reflects on his bright but anxious childhood, his academic strengths across literature and science, and his struggle to fit in socially. He describes feeling like a confusing mix of high-achiever and rebellious outsider—smoking, wearing velvet jackets, and embracing alternative subcultures in sixth form.
The Spiral of Gambling and Escape
“I just needed to switch off my brain. Anyone who’s ever looked up from a silly little iPhone game and thought, where did the last hour go? You know, it is…”
The Alcoholism Illusion: Sobriety as Revelation
“I now know that it's not like well you've had three and a half years off or you know your skin's better or work's going well now so you can relax and drink.”
The Insignificance of the First Drink
“It wasn't a big reason. It wasn't hey I won a comedy award or this that and the other. It was literally just John had cooked a lamb…”
The Real Work: Healing Without Alcohol
“If you take the coping mechanism away, I'm in a worse position. I'm probably worse company. That's very… that's really kind of huge, I think.”
“The piece of shit at the centre of the universe. That was me.”
“The only response that's going to be of long-lasting good is love. So what would love say?”
“I now know that it's not like well you've had three and a half years off or you know your skin's better or work's going well now so you can relax and drink.”
Host
Guest
John Robbins
person
Emily Dean
person
Thirst
book
Raymond
person
Alcoholics Anonymous
organization
Taskmaster
other
Pierre Novelli
person
Russell Howard
person
Ivor Graham
person
Gamblers Anonymous
organization
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