Successful NAVHDA trainer on composure, acing the test, raising the bar and "desperate" dogs
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In this episode of the Upland Nation podcast, host Scott Linden welcomes back Clyde Vedder, widely regarded as the most successful NAVDA trainer to date, at the National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic. The conversation dives deep into Vedder’s philosophy of training elite hunting dogs—not for tests, but for real-world performance—emphasizing composure, early development, and building confidence through fun and positive reinforcement. Vedder shares his groundbreaking approach to training, including introducing birds to puppies as young as five weeks, using live pigeons on fishing poles to assess mental toughness, and prioritizing natural drive over forced obedience. He also discusses the importance of conservation through Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever, highlighting how he and his wife, Marilyn, have actively supported youth and mid-career hunters by purchasing life memberships and fostering a culture of 'paying it forward.' The episode concludes with a personal story from a recent chukar hunt in Nevada, where Vedder reflects on the value of 'desperate' dogs—those that push harder when birds are scarce—revealing a nuanced understanding of dog psychology and hunting ethics.
Train for elite hunting performance, not just test success—composure and drive matter more than formal obedience.
Introduce birds to puppies as early as five weeks to build prey drive and mental toughness.
Use fun, positive reinforcement and gradual pressure to build confidence, not force or fear.
The 'desperate dog' is a sign of high potential—when birds are scarce, the best dogs push harder and explore more.
Pay it forward by supporting youth and mid-career hunters through life memberships and mentorship.
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Welcome to Pheasant Fest & the Power of the Dog Community
Scott Linden welcomes listeners to the National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic, highlighting the vibrant dog culture and the sense of family among attendees. He introduces Clyde Vedder, celebrating his status as the most successful NAVDA trainer, and sets the stage for a deep dive into dog training philosophy and conservation.
Conservation as a Lifelong Mission: Paying It Forward
“The one thing that actually means the most to me is not the stuff that's hanging off of my tag. It's the stuff that's hanging off of Jason's tag.”
Training Philosophy: Building Elite Hunting Dogs, Not Test Machines
“I never train for a test. I train what I call an elite hunting dog. And if you train for an elite hunting dog, the test is easy.”
The Early Years: From Five Weeks to a Lifetime of Drive
“You know, you just can't, you need birds and I know it gets expensive but birds make a bird dog.”
The 'Desperate' Dog: When Hard Work Reveals True Potential
“When you watch them get desperate, the ones you may not want to keep start hunting closer and slowly and they give up. The dogs I'm looking for get desperate.”
“I never train for a test. I train what I call an elite hunting dog. And if you train for an elite hunting dog, the test is easy.”
“When you watch them get desperate, the ones you may not want to keep start hunting closer and slowly and they give up. The dogs I'm looking for get desperate.”
“The one thing that actually means the most to me is not the stuff that's hanging off of my tag. It's the stuff that's hanging off of Jason's tag.”
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Clyde Vedder
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Scott Linden
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Pheasants Forever
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Quail Forever
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NAVDA
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Marilyn Vedder
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National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic
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Jake Bartels
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Brooke
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Pike Gear
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