Episode 82: Wartena UFO Incident
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In 1940, Dutch immigrant Udo Wartenna claimed he encountered a hovering, saucer-shaped craft in the remote Boulder Mountain region of Montana, where two humanoid beings—dressed in gray overalls and slippers—invited him aboard. Inside, he was shown advanced technology, including flywheels that counteracted gravity, and learned the craft ran on solar and stellar energy. The beings, one over 900 years old, explained they were monitoring humanity, spoke over 500 languages, and offered Wartenna a chance to join them—though he declined, citing the inconvenience to his family. He kept the story secret for 40 years, only writing about it in a 1980 letter to astronaut John Glenn. Despite no physical evidence, the consistency of his accounts over decades and the unusual detail—like upholstered benches and a focus on interior design—set this apart from typical UFO tales. The episode explores theories ranging from genuine alien contact to psychological explanation, but ultimately leans toward the encounter being a rare, credible early UFO case that predates Roswell by years. The Wartenna incident stands out not for dramatic abduction or violence, but for its quiet, almost mundane alien diplomacy: a craft that looks like a soup plate, a man who speaks broken English, and a spaceship with good taste in furniture. The fact that Wartenna, a miner with no motive to lie, waited until near death to reveal the story—after being told he could speak of it later—adds weight to his credibility.
Udo Wartenna claimed a 1940 encounter with humanoid aliens who wore gray overalls and slippers and offered him a seat on a 100-foot-wide saucer-shaped craft with upholstered benches.
The aliens explained their ship used flywheels to counteract gravity and ran on solar and stellar energy—technology eerily similar to later claims by Bob Lazar.
Wartenna declined an offer to join them, citing the inconvenience to his family—a rare detail that suggests rational, human hesitation rather than delusion.
He kept the story secret for 40 years, only writing about it in a 1980 letter to astronaut John Glenn, who never responded.
No physical evidence exists, but the consistency of his accounts over decades and the lack of motive to fabricate make this one of the most credible early UFO encounters.
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The 1940 Montana Encounter: Before Roswell
“He was told not to write it initially. They always say that. Never listen. Never listen to them aliens?”
The Craft and the Approach
Wartenna describes hearing a humming sound, then seeing a 100-foot-wide, stainless-steel-like craft hovering above a meadow. A spiral staircase descended, and a man in gray overalls and a tam approached him, asking permission to take water from his dam.
Boarding the Ship: A Space Lounge?
“This seems way less of an alien spaceship and more of a freaking sex lounge. But it was mentioned like he wrote in his life with nice upholstered benches.”
Alien Biology and Age
Wartenna noticed the younger alien had translucent skin, revealing internal structures. The aliens revealed they were 609 and over 900 years old, spoke over 500 languages, and had been observing humanity for centuries.
The Offer and the Refusal
“I would probably be like no I think I'd miss my family and they'd miss me not that allowing means everybody sorry so would you love me if i was a worm yes that's the same kind of freaking questioning my god”
“The most valuable thing between planets is interior design.”
“This seems way less of an alien spaceship and more of a freaking sex lounge. But it was mentioned like he wrote in his life with nice upholstered benches.”
“He was told not to write it initially. They always say that. Never listen. Never listen to them aliens?”
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