Border politics at our doorstep with Ieva Jusionyte
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The U.S.-Mexico border is not just a line on a map—it's a living, breathing site of power, asymmetry, and human cost, argues Ieva Jusionyte, anthropologist and MacArthur Fellow. Her latest research exposes a troubling new phase in border politics: the mass expulsion of Mexican nationals—often high-level organized crime figures—into the U.S. not through formal extradition treaties, but via executive decisions that bypass legal safeguards. These expulsions, driven by U.S. political pressure under the Trump administration, create a justice system that serves American priorities—drug trafficking and money laundering—while leaving behind Mexico’s own violent crimes—homicides, kidnappings, disappearances—unprosecuted. Jusionyte reveals how this practice undermines both national sovereignty and the development of Mexico’s weak criminal justice system, turning justice into a geopolitical transaction. Yet she also finds unexpected resilience: communities across the U.S., once distant from border struggles, are now organizing mutual aid networks in response to rising ICE enforcement, proving that the border’s reach extends far beyond the desert. Her work challenges us to rethink borders not as fixed lines, but as dynamic arenas where power, law, and humanity collide. Jusionyte’s journey—from studying emergency responders who cross borders to follow guns, to now tracking the legal and moral fallout of expulsions—shows how one question leads to another. Her approach, rooted in deep ethnography and moral courage, refuses to accept borders as natural or neutral. Instead, she sees them as mirrors reflecting deep inequalities: in laws, in access to justice, in who gets to be seen as a person. As she puts it, 'You can't export justice.' The real question isn’t whether we should stop people from crossing borders—but whether we can build a world where justice doesn’t require crossing one.
U.S. expulsions of Mexican nationals bypass legal extradition treaties and are driven by political pressure, not due process.
Justice in Mexico is undermined when suspects are sent to the U.S. for prosecution on drug charges, leaving violent crimes like disappearances uninvestigated.
The U.S. criminal justice system prioritizes drug trafficking and money laundering, not the full spectrum of crimes committed in Mexico.
Mexican officials involved in organized crime are rarely extradited—only those with lower political risk are targeted, creating a selective justice system.
The rise of interior immigration enforcement in U.S. cities has spread fear beyond border communities, with people now carrying passports just in case.
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Introducing Ieva Jusionyte: From Border Violence to Global Justice
Dan Richards introduces Ieva Jusionyte, an anthropologist at Brown University and director of the Center for Human Rights and Humanitarian Studies. She’s known for her groundbreaking work on border violence, especially gun trafficking from the U.S. to Mexico, and has recently won both the MacArthur and Guggenheim Fellowships.
Why Borders Matter: An Anthropological Lens
“On one side of the border, for example, in Texas, you can buy 100 AK-47s when you are, I don't know, 18 years old. But you can't drink beer. When you cross to Mexico, you can drink all the beer you want when you're 18, but you cannot buy even one AR-15 or AK-47.”
From Emergency Responders to Gun Trafficking
Jusionyte shares how her work began with emergency responders on the border—firefighters and paramedics who cross into Mexico to help during wildfires. This lens revealed how the border is not just a barrier but a space of mutual aid and shared responsibility.
The Rise of Expulsions: A New Era of Border Power
“It means that the Mexican government simply hands them over bypassing the legal process. So it is an executive government decision. It's not governed by any rules except whatever agreement the executive made with the U.S. government, which is not public and we don't know.”
The Asymmetry of Justice: What the U.S. Prosecutes vs. What Mexico Needs
“So it becomes this asymmetry, the same kind of asymmetry that I was interested in when I was looking at, you know, gun trafficking or other things.”
“You can't export justice. Well, at least that's what motivated me to pursue this project as an open question. Does extradition aid or impede justice? And justice for whom?”
“It means that the Mexican government simply hands them over bypassing the legal process. So it is an executive government decision. It's not governed by any rules except whatever agreement the executive made with the U.S. government, which is not public and we don't know.”
“On one side of the border, for example, in Texas, you can buy 100 AK-47s when you are, I don't know, 18 years old. But you can't drink beer. When you cross to Mexico, you can drink all the beer you want when you're 18, but you cannot buy even one AR-15 or AK-47.”
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Claudia Sheinbaum
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Genaro Garcia Luna
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