INTERVIEW | Make Money by Unlocking Creativity Through Play with Piera Gelardi

Travis Makes Money25mApril 18, 2026

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Piera Gelardi, co-founder of Refinery29 and creator of the immersive 29 Rooms experience, argues that play isn't a luxury or a distraction—it's the essential fuel for creativity, resilience, and connection in both life and work. In her new book, *The Playful Way*, she challenges the cultural myth that play is frivolous, revealing instead that it’s a mindset that can be integrated into any task, from budget meetings to leadership decisions. Drawing from her own burnout after suppressing her playful, creative identity to fit corporate expectations, she shares how re-embracing play—what she calls 'plork' (play + work)—transformed her leadership, innovation, and mental health. She emphasizes that true innovation comes not from silencing your intuition, but from listening to critics while holding fast to your vision, using their feedback to strengthen, not abandon, bold ideas. Her journey from feeling like an imposter in her own company to leading global play workshops during the pandemic—where thousands found emotional relief—reveals play as a radical act of vulnerability and connection in a lonely world.

Key Takeaways
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Reframe 'play' as a mindset, not a time-out activity—integrate it into daily tasks to boost creativity and resilience.

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When you lose track of time doing something, you're likely in a flow state tied to your authentic playful power.

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The concept of 'plork'—blending play and work—creates more sustainable, joyful, and innovative outcomes than separating them.

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Use criticism as fuel, not surrender: listen to concerns but don’t abandon your vision—apply the 'yes, and' principle from improv.

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Suppressing your playful self leads to burnout; re-integrating it restores creativity, connection, and mental clarity.

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Sponsor: Aldi Nord

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Sponsor: gohighlevel.com

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Introducing Piera Gelardi

Travis introduces Piera Gelardi, creative entrepreneur, speaker, and co-founder of Refinery29 and 29 Rooms, now leading Numa Luma and author of *The Playful Way*.

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Why Play Is Misunderstood

Play is actually the fuel in your tank to do the hard work and to do it with more creativity, connection, and joy.

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The Playful Mindset in Work

When we're bringing a playful mindset to the hard things in life, the challenges, we actually become more creative and more flexible and more able to solve those challenges.

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High-Impact Quotes
I was overworked and underplayed and that I had packed away all the qualities that had actually allowed me to achieve the success that I had.
Piera Gelardi10:29
Viral: 90.0
It's a yes and. It's listening to your intuition and taking in the questions or the criticism of others in a way that's about building versus just a hard no.
Piera Gelardi18:16
Viral: 87.0
Play is actually the fuel in your tank to do the hard work and to do it with more creativity, connection, and joy.
Piera Gelardi1:47
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Travis

Guest

Piera Gelardi
Topics Discussed
plork95%playful mindset92%mental health and play90%vulnerability and connection89%work-life integration88%leadership and play87%innovation through play86%creative burnout85%
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