INTERVIEW | Make Money Building an Audience and Surviving the Attention Economy with Jo Piazza

Travis Makes Money24mMay 10, 2026

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Jo Piazza, bestselling author and podcast creator, reveals how she built a sustainable career in the fractured attention economy by embracing constant reinvention—starting as a gossip columnist, pivoting to fiction, and leveraging platforms like Substack and podcasts to build her audience. She argues that the traditional path to publishing is dead, replaced by a new reality where writers must self-publish, build platforms, and monetize directly. Her advice? Stop scrolling, start writing, and treat your creative work like a business. Despite the flood of AI-generated content, she believes quality still wins—but only if creators are relentless in building trust and visibility. Her latest novel, The Parisian Heist, is a feminist art heist thriller that doubles as a masterclass in storytelling and audience-building. Piazza’s journey underscores a radical truth: success now isn’t about waiting for permission—it’s about showing up consistently, owning your IP, and treating every platform as a launchpad. She’s bullish on self-publishing not as a fallback, but as a strategic advantage, especially when paired with a loyal audience. And while film adaptations remain a lottery, she’s not waiting—she’s already writing the next book, pitching new series, and building her brand one post, one episode, one pre-order at a time.

Key Takeaways
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Build your audience early and often—use Substack, podcasts, and social media as training grounds and revenue engines

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Self-publishing is not a fallback; it’s a strategic path to keep IP and 70%+ of royalties

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Stop scrolling—your attention is your most valuable asset; redirect it to writing and creating

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Quality still beats AI slop, but only if you’re visible and consistent in a crowded market

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An agent should be your career architect, not just a gatekeeper—choose one who champions your long-term arc

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3 min

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5:00
5 min

From Gossip Columnist to Bestselling Author

Jo Piazza shares her unconventional career path—from intern at The New York Times to assistant at the New York Daily News, and how that gritty start built her work ethic and storytelling skills.

10:00
5 min

The Death of the Traditional Path

The traditional path that was available to me is not available anymore. So, you know, you want to be a poet? Start putting your poetry on Instagram, become an Instagram poet.

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15:00
5 min

Self-Publishing as a Strategic Advantage

I have the IP and then we option that to development studios, things like that. But yeah, I think it's definitely a viable option.

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High-Impact Quotes
I don't even know what to tell you. Like the traditional path that was available to me is not available anymore.
Jo Piazza7:14
Viral: 85.0
I have the IP and then we option that to development studios, things like that. But yeah, I think it's definitely a viable option.
Jo Piazza14:22
Viral: 82.0
Stop scrolling, right? Stop reading Wikipedia all the time. Write your sub stack. Write things that are important.
Jo Piazza8:13
Viral: 78.0
Speakers

Host

Travis

Guest

Jo Piazza
Topics Discussed
attention economy95%building an audience92%author platform90%self-publishing90%book marketing88%AI in publishing85%podcast monetization80%fiction writing75%
People & Brands

Jo Piazza

person

12xPositive

The Parisian Heist

book

6xPositive

Substack

other

5xPositive

Travis Makes Money

media

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Instagram

other

4xNeutral

Aldi Nord

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4xNeutral

New York Daily News

other

3xNeutral

gohighlevel.com

brand

2xNeutral

The New York Times

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United Talent Agency

other

2xPositive

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