TTU152: Where is the Open? ft. Toby Crabel
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In this episode of Top Traders Unplugged, host Niels Kostrup-Larsen and guest Toby Crabel, founder of Crable Capital Management, explore the evolution of market dynamics and trading strategies over the past several decades. Crabel, a former professional tennis player turned pioneering futures trader, shares his journey from watching the ticker in his father's brokerage firm to developing the influential Open Range Breakout (ORB) strategy in the late 1980s. He reflects on how the core premise of ORB—using the opening price as a key reference point—has eroded due to the rise of 24-hour trading, fragmented liquidity, and algorithmic dominance. The conversation delves into how modern markets have shifted from follow-through momentum days to more frequent reversals and mean reversion patterns, with volume now concentrated around the close rather than the open. Crabel emphasizes the importance of execution, adaptability, and robustness in strategy design, noting that his firm has evolved from optimized models to generalized, uncorrelated strategies that can withstand changing market regimes. He also discusses the growing role of AI and automation in trading, while cautioning that markets remain nonlinear and unpredictable, requiring humility and continuous research. Crabel’s insights are grounded in decades of hands-on experience, from trading on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange floor to managing a systematic short-term strategy firm. He stresses that while traditional technical analysis remains valid, its effectiveness depends on adapting to structural changes—such as the rise of high-frequency trading and retail participation. The episode concludes with Crabel reflecting on his unique career path, his preference for short-term trading as a personal and strategic fit, and his ongoing commitment to research and writing through his Substack. He expresses a deep fascination with markets as a lifelong pursuit, likening his work to a philosophical inquiry into price, volume, and human behavior. The discussion serves as a powerful reminder that in trading, the edge lies not just in strategy, but in the relentless pursuit of understanding and adaptation.
The 'open' as a trading reference point has lost its significance due to 24-hour markets and liquidity shifting to the close, undermining classic strategies like Open Range Breakout.
Market structure has evolved dramatically—what worked in the 1980s (e.g., clean momentum moves) no longer holds; today's markets favor mean reversion and are more volatile and unpredictable.
Robust, generalized strategies that are uncorrelated and adaptable outperform highly optimized models over time, especially in changing environments.
Execution quality is a critical edge—Crable Capital has improved slippage by multiples over the past 20 years, making it a core competitive advantage.
AI and automation are transforming strategy development and operations, but they cannot replace human judgment or the need for deep market understanding.
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The Humbling Nature of Markets
Niels sets the tone by emphasizing the unpredictability and probabilistic nature of markets, introducing the episode's theme of humility in trading. He highlights the importance of learning from top hedge fund managers and warns about the risks of past performance and financial loss.
From Tennis to Trading: Toby Crabel's Unconventional Path
Crabel recounts his transition from professional tennis to futures trading, sparked by watching the ticker in his father's brokerage firm during tennis training. He details his early days as a runner at the Mercantile Exchange and how he evolved into a chartist and trader.
The Rise and Fall of Open Range Breakout
“Where's the open? For God's sake, I mean, there's so much volume in the 24 hour sessions. It's impossible to determine what the open is.”
The New Market Regime: Reversals Over Momentum
“There are many more reversals instead of follow-through days now than there have been in quite a while. Maybe just to follow up on two things mentioned, one is more like a fun fact...”
The Edge in Execution and Adaptability
“You're right. You're absolutely right. We need to execute as effectively as possible. There's strategies, there's patience, there's speed, there's all kinds of things that go into that.”
“I'm ready to talk about markets. That's what I'd like to do for the next 10 or 15, 20, like I said, maybe 150 years if we get lucky.”
“The real edge in trading may not be a specific signal, but the ability to continuously evolve, monitor market changes, and adjust with vigilance.”
“Where's the open? For God's sake, I mean, there's so much volume in the 24 hour sessions. It's impossible to determine what the open is.”
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Niels Kostrup-Larsen
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