Ep 208 Dietary Guidelines Part 1: Who’s behind these guidelines?

This Podcast Will Kill You57mApril 28, 2026

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This episode of 'This Podcast Will Kill You' dives deep into the history and hidden influences behind the U.S. Dietary Guidelines for Americans, tracing their evolution from early 20th-century pamphlets to today's controversial recommendations. Hosts Erin Welsh and Erin Ullman-Updyke explore how the guidelines were born out of military needs during wartime, shaped by early nutritional science pioneers like W.O. Atwater and his daughter Helen Atwater, and how they've shifted from focusing on preventing deficiencies to addressing chronic disease. The episode reveals how industry interests—particularly from meat, dairy, egg, and sugar producers—have repeatedly influenced the guidelines, often through backdoor lobbying and conflicts of interest, even when the science was clear. Despite being presented as evidence-based, the process is opaque, with a committee of experts often undermined by political and corporate pressures. The hosts argue that these guidelines, while rarely followed by the public, still shape food policy, school nutrition, and marketing, enabling 'health washing' by corporations. They conclude that transparency and accountability are essential to restore public trust in nutritional science.

Key Takeaways
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The U.S. Dietary Guidelines have been shaped more by industry lobbying than pure science, especially since the 1977 report.

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The 1977 guidelines were heavily revised after backlash from the meat, egg, and sugar industries, setting a precedent for corporate influence.

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95% of the 2020 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee had financial ties to food industry groups, raising serious conflict-of-interest concerns.

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Guidelines are not directly translated from scientific reports—government agencies often water down or alter recommendations without public explanation.

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Despite being widely ignored by the public, the guidelines influence school meals, food assistance programs, and food marketing, enabling 'health washing'.

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Chapters
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10 min

The Origins of Dietary Advice: From Scurvy to the First Guidelines

The episode opens with a dramatic narrative about a con artist, then transitions into a historical exploration of early dietary guidance. It traces the roots of nutritional science to 18th-century military needs, particularly the fight against scurvy, and highlights the 1835 British law requiring lemon juice on ships as the first governmental dietary guideline. It then introduces W.O. Atwater, the USDA's first nutrition researcher, who pioneered the breakdown of food into macronutrients and recommended a diet high in protein for poor families.

10:00
10 min

The 1917 Guidelines: A Blueprint for the Modern Food Pyramid

The hosts examine the 1917 USDA pamphlet 'How to Select Foods'—the first formal U.S. dietary guidelines—written by Caroline Hunt and Helen Atwater. It introduced food groups, serving suggestions, and emphasized micronutrients. The episode highlights the absurdity of butter being its own food group and the high protein recommendations (125g/day), which were later questioned by researchers. This era marked the beginning of food producers using guidelines to market their products as 'nutrient-rich'.

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10 min

Wartime Confusion: The Shifting Food Groups of the 1940s

During World War II, the USDA issued contradictory guidance, including the 'Basic Seven' food groups—where milk, eggs, butter, and meat were each separate categories. This reflected a focus on preventing deficiencies during rationing. The episode notes that meat was the only food group with a strict daily limit, while others had 'or more' recommendations, revealing a clear bias toward promoting dairy and fat consumption.

30:00
10 min

The 1977 Dietary Goals: A Revolution That Backfired

The eat less fat message that dominated the guidelines was called imprecise, both in that it didn't distinguish among different fat types... and it singled out one type of food in a way kind of implying that as long as you cut back on fatty foods, you are fine.

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10 min

The 1980s and Beyond: The Rise of the Advisory Committee

The DGAC works in an advisory capacity only. The final version is totally up to the USDA and the HHS.

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High-Impact Quotes
The food industry wants you to believe that it's looking out for you. But these guidelines are also shaped by these companies, which just worsens the erosion of trust in science.
Erin Welsh64:03
Viral: 90.0
When suspicions began to swirl around cigarettes and lung cancer in the 1950s, the cigarette industry had a lot to lose. And they scrambled to reframe the issue. Buy our healthier cigarettes now with a filter.
Erin Ullman-Updyke60:16
Viral: 88.0
Even if those committees were free of bias, even if the science was as robust as we would like it to be, it's still not being translated directly into the dietary guidelines.
Erin Ullman-Updyke55:28
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Erin WelshErin Ullman-Updyke
Topics Discussed
History of U.S. Dietary Guidelines95%Industry Influence on Public Health Policy90%Conflict of Interest in Scientific Advisory Committees88%Food Marketing and Health Washing85%Nutritional Science and Public Trust80%Food Insecurity and Federal Nutrition Programs75%Evolution of Food Groups and Portion Guidance70%The Role of Government in Shaping Diets65%
People & Brands

Erin Welsh

person

15xNeutral

Erin Ullman-Updyke

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14xNeutral

USDA

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12xNegative

Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee

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10xNegative

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

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8xNeutral

W.O. Atwater

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5xPositive

Helen Atwater

person

4xPositive

Caroline Hunt

person

4xPositive

Big Tobacco

organization

4xNegative

Ansel Keys

person

3xPositive

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