Sally Thompson’s ‘Black Robes Enter Coyote’s World,’ Part One: Father Pierre-Jean De Smet
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In this first half of a two-part conversation, anthropologist Sally Thompson discusses her award-winning book, *Black Robes Enter Coyote's World*, which explores the complex encounter between Jesuit missionary Father Pierre-Jean de Smet and Montana's Bitterroot Salish people during the mid-19th century. Thompson traces de Smet’s journey from his restless youth in Belgium, through his clandestine escape to America as a young Jesuit, to his eventual role as a missionary, cartographer, and cultural observer in the American West. She reflects on how de Smet’s motivations were shaped by adventure, religious calling, and the geopolitical currents of the time, including U.S. expansion and the Monroe administration’s push for Native assimilation. Thompson also unpacks the paradox of de Smet’s legacy: a man who both documented Indigenous cultures with reverence and participated in systems that enabled colonial displacement. The episode highlights the tension between genuine curiosity and imperial ambition, as well as the Indigenous communities’ own complex responses—some embracing Christianity while fiercely resisting cultural erasure. Through meticulous research and narrative depth, Thompson reframes de Smet not as a simple evangelist but as a product of his era, whose life reflects the broader collision of worlds. Key takeaways include: de Smet’s missionary work was deeply intertwined with U.S. expansionist policies, even if unintentionally; Indigenous peoples had already been exposed to Catholicism through earlier contacts, complicating the narrative of 'first contact'; the Jesuits’ role was not purely spiritual but also political and economic; de Smet’s writings reveal both empathy and blind spots, particularly regarding slavery and land use; and the book’s central theme is the contrast between Indigenous and European worldviews—especially regarding land, time, and belonging. Thompson’s own journey as a researcher and writer underscores the importance of listening to multiple perspectives and resisting reductive narratives.
De Smet’s missionary work was part of a broader U.S. strategy of assimilation and land acquisition, even if he didn’t see himself as a pawn.
Indigenous communities like the Bitterroot Salish had already encountered Catholicism through Iroquois intermediaries, challenging the myth of 'first contact'.
De Smet’s writings reveal a deep fascination with Native cultures, but also a colonial mindset that saw European civilization as inevitable.
The Jesuits’ role in the West was enabled by financial support from religious orders and government interest in controlling Native populations.
Thompson’s book reframes the story not as a biography of de Smet, but as a narrative of two worlds colliding—land-based Indigenous life versus European expansionism.
Introduction and the Birth of a Book Idea
Lauren Korn introduces the episode and guest Sally Thompson, setting the stage for a deep dive into her book *Black Robes Enter Coyote's World*. Thompson shares how her research on the Clark Fork case and tribal archives sparked her interest in Father de Smet, leading to years of archival work and a personal journey of discovery.
From Research to Revelation: The Path to Writing the Book
“I actually pretty much wrote it. But I was kind of bored by it. There have been so many biographies done of him and just somehow it wasn't the story I wanted to tell.”
Father Pierre-Jean de Smet: A Restless Adventurer
“He was a restless person. He was traveling. Wow. I love that. What gave you that idea? Oh, I find astrology to be really fascinating.”
The Journey to America and the World He Found
“He doesn't ever say a word about it. In any of his writings? Never that I've encountered.”
De Smet as Missionary, Cartographer, and Cultural Observer
“What the heck is this Jesuit missionary doing acting like a land surveyor?”
“What the heck is this Jesuit missionary doing acting like a land surveyor?”
“I believe he honestly saw, and in retrospect, perhaps he helped some of the Intermountain tribes avoid what happened to the tribes all around him.”
“I didn't understand that when I first read about the Salish sending delegations to St. Louis to try and get black-robed Jesuit missionaries. They had already been introduced.”
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Father Pierre-Jean de Smet
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Bitterroot Salish
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Jesuits
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Sally Thompson
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Chief Charlo
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Iroquois
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Montana Public Radio
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Paraguay
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Greater Montana Foundation
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